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Context: Following a mass escape from Arkham triggered by a Ra's al Ghul plot (kill of his Rogues Gallery so that Bruce would have enough time to date Talia), the various Bat villains are being sent to a regular prison while Arkham is being repaired.

During the mass escape from Arkham, Ivy was revealled to be a plant-like creature and not technically a human being any more. Harley is upset that Ivy wouldn't share this with her as she was meant to be her best friend, so she leaves her trapped under some rubble as she legs it.

Here is when the two meet again after Harley is recaptured.

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Date: 2009-11-03 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iwfan53.insanejournal.com
I'd say these two should get a room, but then I'd sort of be missing the point of the entire story wouldn't I?

Date: 2009-11-03 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rorge.insanejournal.com
Why did they bother giving them two beds?

Can never get enough Harley.

Date: 2009-11-03 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arilou_skiff.insanejournal.com
"Context: Following a mass escape from Arkham triggered by a Ra's al Ghul plot (kill of his Rogues Gallery so that Bruce would have enough time to date Talia)"

That's an... original plan. I don't think I've ever seen that one before, actually.

Date: 2009-11-03 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arilou_skiff.insanejournal.com
What apart from "blowing up Arkham" is similar in that plan? Methinks "Kill of my enemy's rogue's gallery so he can date my daughter" is different from "unleash my enemy's rogue's gallery so that I can beat him up" are miles apart.

Date: 2009-11-04 01:53 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Dickish Bruce)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Nah, that's par for the course. When a new villain comes to Gotham, they have them blow up Arkham as a hazing!

Date: 2009-11-03 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cainofdreaming.insanejournal.com
Ra's did that in regular continuity too, sometime during the eighties or early nineties I think. Though his aim was more to finally settle his accounts with the Detective for good, rather than play matchmaker.

Date: 2009-11-03 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khaosworks.insanejournal.com
Batman #400.

Date: 2009-11-03 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] parsimonia.insanejournal.com
I still love that last panel.

Date: 2009-11-03 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] retro_nouveau.insanejournal.com
Ever get that déjà view feeling? :D

Date: 2009-11-04 01:06 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-11-03 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petalsinthewind.insanejournal.com
Do they not ventilate?  Otherwise, a person would use up all the oxygen and suffocate.

Date: 2009-11-03 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cainofdreaming.insanejournal.com
The cell most likely has an internal air supply, though that doesn't really help Ivy in this case.

Date: 2009-11-03 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serenity_winner.insanejournal.com
Awww it's slightly less abusive than Harley/Joker.

Date: 2009-11-03 09:56 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-11-03 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lonewolf23k.insanejournal.com
Say, wasn't this the series where they revealed Green Ivy was, in fact, just a plant creation of Original Ivy?

Date: 2009-11-03 11:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xdoop.insanejournal.com
The writer of that storyline, Ty Templeton, said this on Toonzone.

The Ivy Clone was substituted whenever you want her to be, but in my mind, it was somewhere between the last issue of Gotham Adventures and the first issue of the New Batman Adventures. (The Harley /Ivy mini is therefore, "safe" and is STILL about the original Ivy, since it was written and drawn years ago.)

I had in mind that it was not the real Ivy back in Batman Adventures (vol2), issue one, when she's stabbed in Arkham and survives it. That was the point of the stabbing scene.

In the recent issue, on the last page, we back dated Pamela's look to an earlier BTAS design to suggest she's no longer super-powered, and has reverted back to her more human form in retirement... (I figure the toxins and serums would eventually work their way out of her system and she'd revert to an earlier form.) Also, it was a much quicker shorthand in a story that's only four pages long, to distinguish which Ivy was which.

But I wouldn't retcon away two seasons worth of appearances by Ivy. That would be rude. So, in my mind, the plant monster version shows up first in Batman Adventures (vol2) #1, when Dan and I started writing it... Every other Ivy story is still intact.

Or...you can believe it's been a clone since season two. That's part of the fun of the ending.


http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=1355934&postcount=18

Date: 2009-11-04 02:00 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Buddy Baker)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
So which came first, DCAU's Ivy-clone, or DCU's Feraks? They're basically the same idea, except the Feraks don't look explicitly like Ivy or have nearly as much cognitive ability, but the Ivy-clone looks awfully like a Ferak when she attacks Harley there...

Date: 2009-11-04 10:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
If I'm correct in assuming that the Feraks came out of 'No Man's Land', then I believe they came first - I'm relatively certain this was published after that.

Date: 2009-11-04 02:37 pm (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Babs Gordon)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Hmm. Looks like they not only came out of NML (aside from a SF&O from '98 that featured them), but once Ivy was out of Robinson Park, they never showed up again.

Date: 2009-11-04 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
(singing) "There's always tomorrow..."

Date: 2009-11-03 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beastman12010.insanejournal.com
"I need you to breathe."

Its only subtext if its subtle!

Date: 2009-11-03 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] salamangkiero.insanejournal.com
Wow, that's almost saying it out loud. And she just had to look like she came out of Dukes of Hazzard....

Date: 2009-11-04 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelseyg.insanejournal.com
Hah! I love the last panel on the 2nd page.

"Mehhh..."

Date: 2009-11-04 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
So, if Ivy is producing pure oxygen here, and presumably has been doing something similar to some degree for quite a while, is this the reason why Harley always seems to be at her ditziest when she's around her? (I'm presuming that the actual Ivy has at least some of the attributes of the plant-clone version, as I believe it's been canon for a while that Ivy is indeed part plant.)

Date: 2009-11-04 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] essaybee.insanejournal.com
What comic is this from? I think I saw it listed as from Issue 22, but my Batman Adventures 22 is a Batgirl/Gordon story.

PHOTOSYNTHESIS: Ur doin it wrong

Date: 2009-11-07 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 01d55.insanejournal.com
The science in this is all wrong.

Plants take in CO2 and emit oxygen when performing photosynthesis, the process by which they create sugars. When plants metabolize those sugars for energy, they respire, taking in oxygen and emitting CO2 just like animals do. Indoors, Ivy would perform more respiration than photosynthesis as artificial light is a poor substitute for sunlight. (You need special lamps to properly sun plants indoors.) She would actually last longer in a sealed room than a human, to an extent in direct proportion to the power of illumination.

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