http://drsevarius.insanejournal.com/ ([identity profile] drsevarius.insanejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily,
@ 2009-11-12 02:30 pm UTC
Entry tags:char: doctor light/kimiyo hoshi, char: flamebird/thara ak-var, char: nightwing/lor-zod/chris kent, creator: eric trautmann, creator: greg rucka, creator: pere perez, publisher: dc comics, title: action comics






Dr. Pillings is really Jax-Ur in disguise.



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[identity profile] manofbats.insanejournal.com
2009-11-12 08:54 pm UTC (link)
I'm guessing Chris will have to give himself permanently to the Nightwing.

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[identity profile] jaybee3.insanejournal.com
2009-11-12 09:28 pm UTC (link)
A way out of this could be having both Chris and Thara actually ascend to God-hood permanently (i.e. having Nighwing and Flamebird take over their bodies) so they can be together without having to worry about his aging. Also it would de facto take him out of the Earth-bound super-hero NW role so Dick could return to it (probably in 2011).

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[identity profile] manofbats.insanejournal.com
2009-11-12 09:31 pm UTC (link)
I imagine them giving Dick a new identity all-together if he still isn't Batman. Going back to Nightwing just wouldn't seem right. That would be like going back to being Robin.

He wouldn't be Robin, Nightwing, or Batman.

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[identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
2009-11-12 09:57 pm UTC (link)
I'm not especially sure, except the issue of keeping Bruce's ID secret, why he can't just be Dick Grayson. It's not like he really has another life; his attempt to pretend at one, going to the functions Bruce would've and so forth, seems to chafe on him. But really, does anyone think of Dick as having a secret identity as such? I mean, in the same way Bruce or Clark do, i.e. a double life?

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[identity profile] jcbaggee.insanejournal.com
2009-11-12 11:14 pm UTC (link)
Dick's maintained his identity out of respect for Bruce, and because his role as Bruce Wayne's ward/adopted son still has granted him some pull in the world.

I don't see Dick suddenly stopping this. I mean, c'mon, when Wally West's mom re-married, Dick showed up in a disguise so no one would recognize the guy the world knows as The Flash hanging out with the guy the world knows is the adopted son of Bruce Wayne.

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[identity profile] lyraeinne.insanejournal.com
2009-11-13 12:37 am UTC (link)
I don't know, I think there is a difference. Robin is a concept Bruce appropriated from Dick which is now almost universally used to designate a sidekick rather than a partner. Nightwing is an independent entity that Dick spent years building himself with little direct interference from anyone else. I wouldn't really view that as as a step down persay, even if the Bat-symbol does ultimately carry more weight in the criminal underworld.

Of course, that doesn't mean they won't do exactly that. I'd just hate to see Dick have to start from scratch yet again. Sigh.

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[identity profile] manofbats.insanejournal.com
2009-11-13 12:40 am UTC (link)
Nah, I think after Bruce comes back Dick will look back on Nightwing as being behind him.

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[identity profile] lyraeinne.insanejournal.com
2009-11-13 03:06 am UTC (link)
That's entirely possible, but I think they'd need to do a little more on that level with the Dick-as-Batman concept for me to really buy it. If only because his motivation for the transition itself seemed more along the lines of "this is what I have to do for someone I love who isn't here anymore" than "this is the natural and right progression for me at this point in my life."

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[identity profile] freddylloyd.insanejournal.com
2009-11-13 05:37 pm UTC (link)
I view Robin as the DC Universe's primary symbol of youth, and therefore impossible to go back to once you've moved on to a new, more grown-up identity. That's how it worked for Dick and Jason, and how I think it will work for Tim and Stephanie. (Which doesn't mean Damian is the end of the Robin line, but that's another matter.)

Nightwing, on the other hand, is a symbol of the effort to forge an adult identity that incorporates the best lessons of one's mentors without their less desirable traits. And as such it would still be appropriate for Dick Grayson to take up the Nightwing role when he stops being Batman. He did it once before, after all, with just a short hiccup in which he turned in his costume. (And that actually had the benefit of bringing on a better costume.)

Of course, there's no guarantee that DC's editorial team is thinking along the same lines.

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[identity profile] manofbats.insanejournal.com
2009-11-13 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Nightwing's more of a symbol of teenage rebellion.

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[identity profile] freddylloyd.insanejournal.com
2009-11-13 06:00 pm UTC (link)
My interpretation is more strongly colored by the way Wolfman and Pérez originally developed Nightwing pre-Crisis, when there was no acrimonious break with Bruce/Batman. The Nightwing role was a sign of maturing, but not rebelling.

After the first Crisis the history of that relationship changed, but by then Nightwing was established with the Titans, and any conflict with Batman was secondary and in the past. The Nightwing magazine focused on Dick in his twenties and establishing himself as an adult.

I think the Red Hood, as used in this millennium, is a more obvious example of rebellion against a father figure and his values.

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