xdoop: (Helena Cain and Gina Inviere)Doop ([personal profile] xdoop) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily,
@ 2009-11-22 08:15 pm UTC
Entry tags:char: doctor doom/victor von doom, char: dr. octopus/otto octavius, char: kraven/sergei kravinoff, char: leader/samuel sterns, char: nick fury, char: she hulk/jennifer walters, char: uatu the watcher, creator: nick bertozzi, publisher: marvel comics, title: strange tales
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tsunamiwombat: (Wombat)


[personal profile] tsunamiwombat
2009-11-23 01:34 am UTC (link)
Mmm... She Hulk... I mean, i'm sorry, what?

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perletwo: crack! (crack)


[personal profile] perletwo
2009-11-23 01:42 am UTC (link)
Huh. Y'know, when I got up this morning if there was one thing I didn't really expect the day would bring my way? "Watcher Nipple" would be it.

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selke: (Nightmare)


[personal profile] selke
2009-11-23 01:58 am UTC (link)
I didn't notice that. Thank you. This icon is now appropriate. :)

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angel_negra: Impulse: head+wall (Headwall)

*snerks*


[personal profile] angel_negra
2009-11-23 02:03 am UTC (link)
See, it's the pretty ballet slipper heels that get me. They just add that extra element of 'I'm a pwetty, pwetty pwincess' to it all. :D

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foxhack: (Mavu)


[personal profile] foxhack
2009-11-23 02:04 am UTC (link)
Yeah, how about "Watcher Manties".

*barf*

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selke: (pic#365489)


[personal profile] selke
2009-11-23 02:00 am UTC (link)
I'm not gonna lie. I kind of want Watcher heels.

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proteus_lives: (Ron Swanson)


[personal profile] proteus_lives
2009-11-23 02:24 am UTC (link)
She-Hulk doing yoga......Wait, there's more to the story?

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autumn_lily: jason todd (jason todd)


[personal profile] autumn_lily
2009-11-23 02:31 am UTC (link)
Dude, Nick Fury is kinda frothing at the mouth. And has pointy Rage! teeth.

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tacobob: Mordecai Not Very Impressed (Mordecai 2)


[personal profile] tacobob
2009-11-23 03:28 am UTC (link)
You sneak a dirty peek at She-Hulk and you get a Nick Fury boot in the face!

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darkblade: (Molly vs Bus)


[personal profile] darkblade
2009-11-23 03:35 am UTC (link)
Though what was he doing Shulkie's apartment when she was doing yoga in her undergarments?

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xdoop: (Larocca-Doop.)


[personal profile] xdoop
2009-11-23 04:20 am UTC (link)
Waiting for Uatu to arrive.

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sethgray: (sgblue)


[personal profile] sethgray
2009-11-23 06:38 am UTC (link)
...Wow, could this be a little more transphobic? Jesus.

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xdoop: (Larocca-Doop.)


[personal profile] xdoop
2009-11-23 06:40 am UTC (link)
How is it transphobic?

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sethgray: (sgblue)


[personal profile] sethgray
2009-11-23 06:46 am UTC (link)
How is it not? A man wearing traditionally female clothing such as a dress and heels is depicted in an overly sexualized manner (visible nipple and underwear) while shown to be a creepy stalker who is then defeated through physical violence by a big tough straight man. That is every transphobic marker in the book.

Not to mention the mocking of men in skirts right there in the text.

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xdoop: (Larocca-Doop.)


[personal profile] xdoop
2009-11-23 06:55 am UTC (link)

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sethgray: (sgblue)


[personal profile] sethgray
2009-11-23 06:59 am UTC (link)
How, exactly, does posting a picture of a man in a robe and chiton with all proper parts covered refute my claim that above comic of a man in an overly sexualized dress is transphobic?

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xdoop: (Larocca-Doop.)


[personal profile] xdoop
2009-11-23 07:04 am UTC (link)
It's making fun of how Uatu dresses, not transgendered people. It's a parody.

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sethgray: (sgblue)


[personal profile] sethgray
2009-11-23 07:10 am UTC (link)
It may be intended to mock Uatu, and not transgendered people or transvestites, but when it uses every single indicator of transphobia it becomes something else.

Why is it necessary to depict the flabby visible nipple? Uatu is neither overweight, nor sporting a visible nipple. Since neither of those things is in his design, the creators had to get the ideas from somewhere, and since they are the most prevalent transphobic codes it isn't hard to guess where.

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xdoop: (Larocca-Doop.)


[personal profile] xdoop
2009-11-23 07:24 am UTC (link)
Why is it necessary to depict the flabby visible nipple? Uatu is neither overweight, nor sporting a visible nipple.

Because it's a parody, and they wanted to make him look silly.

We know he's not gay because he's peeking in on She-Hulk. And if he was supposed to be transgendered, they'd probably give him makeup or lipstick or something.

I never once got the idea that he was supposed to be transgendered here.

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sethgray: (sgblue)


[personal profile] sethgray
2009-11-23 07:36 am UTC (link)
If you don't see it, you don't see it but it reads like a freakin checklist to me.

1) Man in dress.
2) Overly sexualized
3) Creepy stalker
4) Weak and ineffectual
5) Rebuffed via physical violence

And last but not least, an actual, verbal, in-text denigration of a man in a skirt.

That's every transphobic stereotype I can think of. The only one they missed is a speech impediment of some sort, which is impossible in a printed medium.

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sethgray: (sgblue)


[personal profile] sethgray
2009-11-23 07:38 am UTC (link)
Oh, not to mention that by making fun of the way Uatu dresses they're perpetuating the idea that a man in a dress-like garment is inherently funny. This was just a poorly thought out and badly executed project, all around.

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auggie18: (Karate Kid)


[personal profile] auggie18
2009-11-24 12:30 am UTC (link)
No offense, but with the exception of 'wearing a dress', that reads much more as a check list of nerd stereotypes. And I've never actually heard the 'creepy stalker' thing applied to transpeople before now.

Also, it is insanely easy to put a speech impediment in print. L-l-like thith, for example.

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sethgray: (sgblue)


[personal profile] sethgray
2009-11-24 12:46 am UTC (link)
I've never seen a nerd drawn in an overly sexualized way, but it is a frequent stereotype of transmen and women, and gender nonconforming people in general. So is the attitude that it's okay to treat them with physical violence, and that they'll try and come on to anyone, which is where the creepy stalker thing comes from.

Typing out the speech impediment hadn't occurred to me, but even in its absence the other things still speak for themselves, I think.

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auggie18: (Karate Kid)


[personal profile] auggie18
2009-11-24 01:07 am UTC (link)
Nerds aren't over-sexualized, but they are very, very often portrayed as perverts like the Watcher is here. Voyeurism is a huge aspect of the nerd stereotypes. It was in all "Revenge of the Nerds" and countless other movies. The Watcher does not come onto anyone, but remains isolated, commenting outside the regular social sphere. If the Watcher flirted with anyone, then yeah, it would've seemed suspect, but he didn't. He made excuses and shied away from others.

Granted, the upskirts and high heel seem feminizing, but that could just be taking the piss out of the sexualization of women. (If the girls in comics with skirts get upskirts, why not the dudes?)

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xdoop: (Larocca-Doop.)


[personal profile] xdoop
2009-11-23 06:58 am UTC (link)

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sethgray: (sgblue)


[personal profile] sethgray
2009-11-23 06:59 am UTC (link)
Yeah, and this one is hurting your case, not helping it.

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