scans_daily: Comics wank colliding with political wank: Like matter and anti-matter ...

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box_in_the_box) wrote in

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@ 2009-11-23 02:19 am UTC

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char: superman/clark kent, genre: public service announcement, publisher: dc comics

Comics wank colliding with political wank: Like matter and anti-matter ...

I look forward to seeing the perfect storm of ~~wank~~ calm and rational debate that will ensue in the comments, between competing factions of both superhero comics fans and public policy ideologues.

Superman supports health care and welfare!

From back in the day when Superman used his moral force to say we should do this because it's the right thing to do for our neighbors, never mind if it cost us some tax dollars.

Of course, today he'd be attacked for his position because, after all, he's an illegal immigrant.

And like so many other illegals, we just want him to clean up our messes and do the jobs we can't do for ourselves for non-existent pay, but that doesn't mean we have to acknowledge when he might have a point.

But I could be mistaken. Is there someone out there who can explain why Superman is wrong?

(Hat tip to Kevin H and Wesley Osam.)

This was originally posted online near the end of August, but I don't recall seeing it on this comm, so I thought I'd share it with you all.

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	no subject kenn_el 2009-11-23 01:04 pm UTC (link)
	Superman is NOT an illegal immigrant. I DO agree, however, with Supes taking a Liberal stance, as he ultimately sees humans as weak and unable to fend for themselves without his assistance. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 108 comments) (Show 108 comments)

	no subject sistermagpie 2009-11-23 02:39 pm UTC (link)
	But here he's more saying they can help themselves by helping each other. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject kenn_el 2009-11-23 04:56 pm UTC (link)
	And he's right, mostly. But look at his condescending (and implicitly threatening) manner toward the guy who protested in the opening panels. The guy doesn't just have the 'wrong slant', but his words might 'infect' the rest of the hive. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject freezer 2009-11-23 08:33 pm UTC (link)
	That's not politics, that's just standard issue Superdickery. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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halialkers
2009-11-23 03:14 pm UTC (link)

Is there legal procedure to recognize someone born on Krypton as a United States citizen? He is not a human being however much he physically cannot be told apart from one and hence in the context of his arrival his citizenship is dubious. Under the 14th Amendment you have to actually be born in the United States, and birthing matrix != to birth on US soil.

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404glitch
2009-11-23 03:19 pm UTC (link)

The UN declared him a citizen of every member-state in it's roster at one point, I think. That said, he's Superman... independent of his citizenship, everyone on the planet thinks of him as "theirs".

On the topic, Superman's optimism fails to take into consideration those that would willfully abuse the system for their own ends.

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	no subject halialkers 2009-11-23 03:21 pm UTC (link)
	The same UN that let the Joker be a representative of a member nation in-canon. Hurm. And I would note that welfare states have actually improved the quality of life in the West for the average citizen of it. The days before them were...less than pleasant, to put it mildly. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 18 comments) (Show 18 comments)

	no subject jarodrussell 2009-11-23 03:29 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think anyone (within reason, obviously some would) would deny that welfare states have improved the quality of life. It's the sustainability of that quality that causes concerns. History has shown that empirical falls are usually preceded by such welfare states. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 14 comments) (Show 14 comments)

	no subject johnzdrake 2009-11-23 03:32 pm UTC (link)
	Ah, the Joker in the UN... And that wasn't even the Silver Age... Not to mention the fact that this is a world where Lex Luthor gets elected president. When everyone knows in the real world he could only be vice president. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject twigcollins 2009-11-23 04:50 pm UTC (link)
	Superman's optimism fails to take into consideration those that would willfully abuse the system for their own ends. Are we talking people managing to sneak out health care benefits or evil health care corporations? Either way, I'd read that comic. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject 404glitch 2009-11-24 02:09 am UTC (link)
	Both, actually. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject halialkers 2009-11-23 03:25 pm UTC (link)
	Which would be entertaining if he ever ran for President, then there would actually be a basis for Birtherism. And that is why Clark Kent would never be President. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject darkblade 2009-11-23 06:09 pm UTC (link)
	I don't know about US laws but in Canada you need a blood test on home births for a birth certificate from a home birth. Clark wouldn't pass a blood test matching him to the Kent's. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

	no subject kenn_el 2009-11-23 04:51 pm UTC (link)
	Whatever legal papers establish him as Clark Kent also contain his citizenship status. The Daily Planet probably did a background check, as did his schools. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 16 comments) (Show 16 comments)

	no subject halialkers 2009-11-23 06:42 pm UTC (link)
	Except Clark Kent is technically like Tarzan, Lord of the Apes: Tarzan was still Lord Greystoke and aware of it or not, Superman was still not biologically human. It would be a surprise if he even necessarily had the same A-G-T-C basis as Earth life. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 15 comments) (Show 15 comments)

	no subject darkblade 2009-11-23 06:26 pm UTC (link)
	But Clark is a non-entity alias of Kal-El who is not a born American citizen. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 32 comments) (Show 32 comments)

	no subject darkblade 2009-11-23 07:35 pm UTC (link)
	I never said they weren't acting in his best interest merely that if his citizenship were to be put under any real legal scrutiny that it wouldn't hold up. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject aaron_bourque 2009-11-23 09:39 pm UTC (link)
	he ultimately sees humans as weak and unable to fend for themselves without his assistance. }:[ No. That's neither Superman's philosophy, nor that of Liberals. Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; I'm probably more conservative than most people here, but damn, son. What the hell. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject galateus 2009-11-23 10:06 pm UTC (link)
	Seriously. Besides: Who runs the government in Strawman Land, robots? Last edited 2009-11-23 10:07 pm UTC (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject da_reap 2009-11-23 10:41 pm UTC (link)
	Hmm. Did he ever get officially naturalized? Otherwise... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)