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Shooting You with My Smile ([personal profile] box_in_the_box) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2009-11-23 02:19 am

Comics wank colliding with political wank: Like matter and anti-matter ...

I look forward to seeing the perfect storm of wank calm and rational debate that will ensue in the comments, between competing factions of both superhero comics fans and public policy ideologues.

Superman supports health care and welfare!

From back in the day when Superman used his moral force to say we should do this because it's the right thing to do for our neighbors, never mind if it cost us some tax dollars.

Of course, today he'd be attacked for his position because, after all, he's an illegal immigrant.

And like so many other illegals, we just want him to clean up our messes and do the jobs we can't do for ourselves for non-existent pay, but that doesn't mean we have to acknowledge when he might have a point.

But I could be mistaken. Is there someone out there who can explain why Superman is wrong?

(Hat tip to Kevin H and Wesley Osam.)
This was originally posted online near the end of August, but I don't recall seeing it on this comm, so I thought I'd share it with you all.
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[personal profile] jarodrussell 2009-11-23 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's more of a loophole than the idea he was "born" on U.S. soil. By all accounts that I remember, the Kents claim him as their biological son, so if they applied for and acquired a social security number for him, got a signed birth certificate, etc. then he probably is technically a U.S. citizen, even though the basis is fraudulent. Sort of like, "It's not a crime if you don't get caught."
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[personal profile] halialkers 2009-11-23 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Which would be entertaining if he ever ran for President, then there would actually *be* a basis for Birtherism. And that is why Clark Kent would never be President.
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[personal profile] jarodrussell 2009-11-23 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, come on. If Barack Obama, who was clearly not born in the U.S. can be president, I don't see why Clark couldn't. I mean, honestly, "Hawaii?" That's not even a real place, much less a state.
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[personal profile] gargoylekitty 2009-11-23 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I can vouch for that. I was totally born in a place that doesn't exist. ;p

[personal profile] psychopathicus_rex 2009-11-24 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
Legally, it IS a state. It's ridiculous that it's a state, given that it's not even a part of the North American continent, but by all legal definitions, it's a state.
And what do you mean 'not a real place'? Even if it stopped being a state, it would still be a real place. It's an actual island, it's on the map - it's not like someone just made the place up.
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[personal profile] galateus 2009-11-24 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that was the clue they were being sarcastic.

[personal profile] psychopathicus_rex 2009-11-24 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
It is possible - the 'net confuses such things.
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[personal profile] pyrotwilight 2009-11-23 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, there was that one Armageddon2001 story that he did become President since the government eventually decided being born on Earth via a birthing Matrix was enough to count as being born on Earth.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2009-11-23 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
It didn't need the Armageddon bit. Man of Steel established that Clark was not actually born until AFTER the ship touched down on Earth, so he's the cosmic equivalent of a child born in a plane that touches down in a foreign country in flight.
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[personal profile] pyrotwilight 2009-11-23 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
True enough but I'm just saying that's how the government declared it in the story. They could just as easily say he's a foreigner given how different Kryptonian births were during that time.
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[personal profile] darkblade 2009-11-23 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know about US laws but in Canada you need a blood test on home births for a birth certificate from a home birth. Clark wouldn't pass a blood test matching him to the Kent's.
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[personal profile] kingrockwell 2009-11-23 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, but did they have that law back when Clark would've been born?
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[personal profile] darkblade 2009-11-23 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
The sliding time scale gives me a headache so I'm not sure. Probably not though.
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2009-11-23 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Clark would have been born sometime in the early 70s, at this point. Assuming he's currently in his mid-late 30s, which is hard to get any agreement on - it'd be the late 70s, if he's 'early-30s', which is the other popular idea among the creators.
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[personal profile] darkblade 2009-11-23 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Then my statement was entirely pointless the law likely wouldn't have been in place since DNA research would have still been in it's infancy.

[personal profile] psychopathicus_rex 2009-11-24 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
Conversely, though, he couldn't FAIL a blood test, either, since needles can't pierce his skin.
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[personal profile] darkblade 2009-11-24 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Which would tip off the the Doctors that something strange is going on regardless.

[personal profile] psychopathicus_rex 2009-11-24 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Given that the Kents were snowed in for months after they found Clark, which gave them the opportunity to claim that he was actually theirs once the snow melted, I imagine they had plenty of time to consider such details. It's quite possible that Pa Kent took a sample of his own blood, or managed to get a sample from a distant relative or something, so that the test would show his relation to them.
Then again, this was thirty-odd years ago, so the blood test may not even have been an issue.