scans_daily | Harley interviews the Joker

Whenever they get Breaking Dawn out you will know, like it or not.

I can't wait to see how the hell they manage it on film, how the hell they'll keep it from a R rating is anyone's guess.

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darkblade - 2009-11-29 19:50 (UTC) - Expand

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icon_uk - 2009-11-30 01:34 (UTC) - Expand

Agreed. I have basically nothing to do with the Twilight series. Some of my friends have read the books, and tend to equate the series to a soap opera meant for teens, with supernatural creatures. Eventually, I know one of them will loan me a copy of the first book; I'll probably read the first five or six chapters before returning it with a "thanks but no thanks". *sigh*

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGd9qAfpZio

Ugh. I really didn't like the thought how this diverted from her animate Mad Love origin in that it was HQ who told the Joker he could call her Harley Quinn.
I still think the creepy factor of it is that the Joker decides to drive her crazy/work her over because he thought her name sounded clown-like. It's so vile and so very very Joker-like.

Agreed. The majority of the non-DCAU style Harley stories seem to just be lacking, IMO.

I've noticed a lot of the comics-only fans don't much like Harley. I suspect this is why.

Huh! I hadn't noticed that comics-only fans dislike her, but yeah, that'd totally make sense. That's unfortunate.

With rare exceptions, Harley just seems to need the one-two-three punch of Dini, Timm, and Sorkin.

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cmdr_zoom - 2009-11-29 18:26 (UTC) - Expand

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da_reap - 2009-11-29 22:31 (UTC) - Expand

I don't agree; Harley is still very much popular. Hence the fact that she's part of an ongoing and had her own series in the early 2000s.

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lynxara - 2009-11-30 19:25 (UTC) - Expand

Mostly because, IMHO, the Joker that has been in the DCU for quite a while now lacks the depth of character to have the sort of sick twisted relationship which makes Harley and Joker much warped, fleshcrawling fun. In the DCAU, the Joker MIGHT kill you at any point but might prolong the pain for kicks, but the DCU Joker is JUST a killer now, so you wonder why he hasn't offed her already.

Ego. She's the only person in the world that understands him, even if her understanding is flawed it's still the closest he'll ever get to someone understanding him. Probably why he reacts so badly when she misses the point.

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benicio127 - 2009-11-30 01:27 (UTC) - Expand

I knooooow. I was excited to see the Dini Joker in GCS until they took it all away.

I don't like Morrison Joker. D:

Yeah, this.

:( Judging only from the above scans, Doctor Quinzel was already on the edge of the teeter totter. It was her insanity that SAVED her.

My guess would be that this was done because comics-Harley has since moved on from being a mere pawn of the Joker to being more of her own character. They wanted to make her more assertive and less helpless - hence, her initiating the relationship. If she was just an innocent twisted around the Joker's finger, that makes the scenes where Mistah J starts feeling unnerved at just where this relationship is going seem out of character - if he's the one who has her under control, why is he weirded out?

Hmmm. But if you read Mad Love, Harley's not exactly "helpless." She is definitely a "victim" of Joker's in a way, no doubt.

But she's the one who breaks him out of Arkham. And she's also the one who comes closer to killing Batman than the Joker ever did. So helpless? No. I saw her as being manipulative, obsessed and insane.

I'm not saying she's helpless - I'm just saying that if you're trying to write the character as her own woman, independent of the Joker, as the comics have been doing, then you've got to get creative with the initial relationship. She has to be obsessed with the Joker at SOME point; that's the genesis of the character, after all, but the DCAU version never STOPS being obsessed with him, which is fine for a cartoon, but somewhat constricting in a comic. If you're going to break away from that aspect, then you've got to fiddle around somewhat with the exact root of her insanity - if the cause of her madness is the Joker, then obviously she's never going to leave him; if the cause of her madness lies elsewhere, as has been shown, and SHE'S seeking contact with the Joker, then her getting over him at a later date makes sense.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Joker is at his most creepy when he's NOT grinning. The Joker as he's presented here, with a faint smirk and a cocked eyebrow, is vaguely chilling because he can tell he's THINKING - and what the Joker thinks about is likely enough to scare the pants off ya.

...'You'. 'YOU can tell he's thinking'.