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Well, sort of. A re-post of my much longer Lois/Diana histories on SD 1.0, it focuses on the highlights of their their times together.


Action Comics #600, right after Superman and Wonder Woman's first and only date.
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And thus Lois's first real impression of Diana is as competition for Superman.

The next time Lois thinks about Diana is when she's invited to Themyscira along with a few other important officials. (See Bluefall's WWwA: Patriarch's World for more details.)
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They don't run into each other again until after Clark marries Lois. From Action Comics #761:
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Having had her flirt-time with her husband interrupted by a beautiful, flying woman, Lois is slightly jealous.
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Sometimes you really have to wonder if it would even be possible for Clark to get even more clueless.

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From Superman #156, Clark and Diana decide to tell Lois about their thousand-year-long vacation together.
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For the record, that wasn't the actual Lois Lane. It's worth noting that, failing here, Clark and Diana never actually get around to tell Lois about their time together for quite a while.

From Wonder Woman #170, Lois is given the chance to interview Diana again. She plans to spend the whole day with Wonder Woman, trying to get an angle on the real woman.
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Things go from bad, to good...

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To bad again.
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At the end of the day, they just decide to hang out.
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Probably the most slashly Diana and Lois ever get. It was really damn slashly though.

In Action Comics #781, their semi-friendship starts to fall apart. Lois's dad dies after Clark decides to try to save Diana again. (Except it wasn't Diana, it was her mother, and he failed to save her.)
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And from Superman #180, a vampire-infected Lois reveals that Clark's decision still bothers her.
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It's worth noting that the vampire-infection was really just a plot device to get Lois and Clark to reveal some of their hidden issues with each other, so what Lois says here is supposed to be the way she really feels.

In Man of Steel #127, Lois's issues concerning her father's death are brought back up again. In the prior issue, she was turned into the goddess of integrity by a bunch of evil gods trying to harm Clark. Now she's experiencing life as a goddess.
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And thus Lois decides to give up her goddesshood and to forgive Clark.

They have a short run-in with each other at Donna's funeral:
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And a longer run-in during Adventures of Superman #628, when Lois is preparing to leave Clark to investigate a story in a war-torn third-world country.
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Rucka!Diana, please come back to me! Gah, I swear I'm counting down the days until BN: Wonder Woman comes out.

They also hang out in Superman #661, in which Lois reveals that she's honestly not jealous of Diana and Clark anymore.
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A supervillainess attacks, Clark is kidnapped, and Lois and Diana rescue him. Because they rock.
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Date: 2009-11-29 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] taggerung301
maybe it's just my computer . .. but I'm only getting about 1/2 or less of each page you posted here - they look cut off or something

Date: 2009-11-29 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] taggerung301
ah, never mind, it got better somehow

Date: 2009-11-29 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Lovely stuff.

I love the panel with Diana with the sun behind her pack, looking like a greek statue, a true Godess... And then Louis in a bathrobe with bedhair.

It manages to show both why Lois might be insecure and why she shouldn't be.

Date: 2009-11-29 08:09 pm (UTC)
bariman: by perletwo (Default)
From: [personal profile] bariman
To be honest, I think Lois looks better than Diana on that page. Bedhair does it for me, for some reason.

Plus Diana was totally being a cockblocker there.

Date: 2009-11-29 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
I'd put it as "DIana is beautiful, Lois is sexy."

Incidentally Wonder Woman has never really come across as sexy to me, which is kind of interesting considering what a sex-symbol she is (supposed to be? Was intended to be?)

Date: 2009-11-30 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
I'd agree with that.

I don't really get the sex-appeal of Wonder Woman. Sure she's the most beautiful woman in the world, but meh. Lois, on the other hand, is firmly a case of hell to the yes. *nods*

Date: 2009-11-29 08:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
I remember this post from SD-That-Was. I still enjoy it.

In that last story it seems like Lois is doing her best to get those two prudes in the mood for a threesome!

Date: 2009-11-29 09:31 pm (UTC)
schala_kid: Stephanie Brown as Batgirl (supergirl)
From: [personal profile] schala_kid
That last one was my favorite when it came to Lois and Diana, them being friends and Lois not being jealous because Diana is just like the sister Clark never had.

Now she's just jealous of Zatanna, well according to Robinson at least.

Date: 2009-11-29 10:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehefner
Going from Joe Kelly quality to Jeph Loeb crap twice over nearly gave me whiplash.

Date: 2009-11-29 11:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Is it too darning to ask for the history of the LoisLana Rivalry?

Date: 2009-11-29 11:21 pm (UTC)
kingrockwell: curious times/art times; a woman with black hair glances coyly to the left as she rests her chin in her hand (Death of the Endless)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
This was lovely, thanks for the post! I find it interesting that Diana's eyes are grey in the Lois-is-a-goddess bits, despite it being a few years before Rucka's run.

Date: 2009-11-29 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com
How did they go through the gold, silver, and bronze ages without meeting each other? By the end of the seventies, Lois had both Angel O'Day and Mary Jane Watson in her Rolodex, so you'd think she'd have bumped into Wonder Woman at least once.

Date: 2009-11-30 02:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tsunamiwombat
I still think Wonderwoman/Superman would be a better couple... but opposites attract and the heart wants what it wants I guess, and that pairing would be less interesting to the reader.

Date: 2009-11-30 03:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Mmm... personally I like them better as friends. They really respect each other but I never quite get the romance vibe.

Date: 2009-11-30 09:31 pm (UTC)
endis_ni: (Default)
From: [personal profile] endis_ni
I can see why, but on balance I prefer the whole brother-sister dynamic they've got going on.

Date: 2009-11-30 03:32 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
I love how slashy they are at times :)

Date: 2009-11-30 03:43 am (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
And then they had to ruin Sam Lane's death and the fallout from it to bring him back and make him the DC equivalent of General Ross (from Marvel) and Snidely Whiplash. Way to go Robinson and Rucka!

Though I do love when Rucka writes DC women. His Batwoman is great, he pretty much owns Renee Montoya, DC should have left him on Wonder Woman post-Infinite Crisis and he's the only writer I'd trust to write a Lois Lane title - and seriously why hasn't Lois gotten a least a mini or one-shots of her own (Jimmy Olsen's gotten 3 in the last year or so!).

The dynamics between Lois and Diana are interesting (I think the Jimenez WW/Lois issue above was one of the best issues of WW I'v ever read). Lois is married to the most powerful, most famous, greatest super-hero in the world. Of all the women in the whole universe he chose her (and vice versa). And his "best friend" happens to be the most powerful, most famous, possibly the most beautiful female super-hero in the world. Uh-huh. Even though we're told time and time again in-continuity, on other Earths, in Elseworlds stories or whatever that Clark doesn't even think of other women, it still must be a little daunting for Lois sometimes.

The real difference I think is that Diana still thinks of him as "Kal" even after all these years, even in private when he has a suit and glasses and Lois thinks of him as "Smallville" and we know which side of his identity Clark thinks of himself most as. He married the right girl - the one that truly knows him best (when written well, of course).

Date: 2009-11-30 09:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] salamangkiero
Lois has always been understandably Clark's main woman. That's because she accepts both sides of Clark Kent/Kal-El, whereas Diana can only ever really see Kal-El.

Date: 2009-11-30 11:27 am (UTC)
bariman: by perletwo (Default)
From: [personal profile] bariman
There really is no "Kal-El" person post-Crisis. Clark grew up as Clark as thinks of himself that way, but projects a slightly different persona as Superman. He probably used "Kal-El" as a convenient name that still hides his secret ID with Diana and the League until they got close enough he felt he could reveal himself as Clark Kent. Diana is probably in the habit of calling him Kal because that's the first name he used, and it keeps her from calling him Clark in public or where it would otherwise be inconvenient, like in front of supervillains.

Date: 2009-11-30 12:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] salamangkiero
But I do think that that is precisely the point. In naming him Kal-El, she creates in her mind the Superman, not Clark Kent. In that sense, the name is the sign of how she sees him. It's not really how Clark would see himself, but how Wonder Woman perceives things.

The argument is also more powerful if the Wonder Woman/Batman/Superman Trinity series is considered a canon story...am not sure about that now. But the dynamic I saw there lends a certain creedence to the thought of the name being the sign.

Date: 2009-11-30 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lysythe
What a wonderful post :D

Date: 2009-11-30 12:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ladymirth
I like Diana well enough, but she's never been half so interesting to me as Lois and Selina and Barbara Gordon. She's just too perfect. Where are the adorable character flaws and quirks? I have the same problem with Donna Troy. She's too sweet, although she has the advatage of being more aulnerable and fallible than her sister, and I love her realtionship with Dick.

I love seeing women behaving with respect and maturity about their jealousy issues. When you compare this with Chuck Austen Lois/Lana rivalry, it only highlights everything that makes female friendship so much more better than romantic rivalry. This is why Barbara being able to forgive Helena for having slept with Dick and move past it enough to become one of her best friends is one of my favourite things in comics.

I'm a little freaked out by the fact that short-haired Lois in those last few panels reinds me simulatenously of both Sue Dibny and Jean Loring. O_O

Date: 2009-12-03 09:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
I love seeing women behaving with respect and maturity about their jealousy issues.

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