X-Men Forever #12

[xdoop]

[Banned]

Comments

[foxhack]

This.

He just had to do this again...

[sandoz_iscariot]

I just want to say "Oh honey, no" and take his laptop away.

[joasakura]

give him a squeaky toy to play with instead.

[foxhack]

Yeah, he's one of those authors who I really enjoy reading... until his... common themes... start to pop up in his stories.

[halloweenjack]

As a dog returns to its vomit...

[darkblade]

"Claremont. I am terribly disapointed in you. I'd expect this from Japan or Frank Miller but not you. Go to your room and think about what you did."

[foxhack]

No, they wouldn't have bothered aging her a bit in Japan. :p

[darkblade]

I really don't see an age up here.

[foxhack]

She appears to be noticeably taller than in the first pages. She's barely half the height than this Cossack fellow in the first page, but in that last one, her body proportions are different, which make her look taller.

That's what it looks like to me anyway.

[darkblade]

I just thought that was a weird perspective. You might be right but he didn't age her up enough for that not to be of questionable legality.

[koschei]

She has breasts

[darkblade]

No she doesn't. Not that I can see.

[koschei]

Look again: the upper swell of her right breast is clearly visible both in the line art and the colouring, and you can see the top of her left breast as well as the purple standing a finger's width proud of her chest.

[foxhack]

Turn a really young character into something... like that. Dressed really uh, inappropriately, to boot.

Like I said, I think Claremont's fine but sometimes... yeah. >_>

[foxhack]

I believe so. Didn't he do this to Kitty at one point, too? And Storm?

and Hound, I think?

[jazzypom]

and Psylocke? Was Claremont around then when she became Kwannon? But yeah, when his women become evil, they tend to amp up their power and it's always expressed in some sort of revealing get up, aka their ~sexuality~

Re: and Hound, I think?

[joasakura]

and let's not forget classic bondage-look Xavier when Callisto had him.

That was Claremont, too.

Damn, yeah

[jazzypom]

I'm glad that he didn't get his hands on Marrow. But still, Chris, just... no.

Now I wonder if Illyana is going to have a moment where she feels the power how it roils and tumbles with her, and she's sipping on its head and drunk with it, until her teammates rally around her, and she ~shatters~

In Jean's case, she dies, in Storm's case, Angel saved her. Can't remember what happened to the rest. But there's always some reckoning, the character realises that she's gone too far and is saved by her teammates.

Well, he doesn't have 'em in the dominmatrix get up like back in the day.

Re: and Hound, I think?

[angelophile]

You say that like "evil=revealing outfits" is somehow restricted to Claremont.

[foxhack]

Kitty = Little kid
Storm = Deaged (not sure if this went somewhere or not)

[foxhack]

Also, really young doesn't really have to mean "little kids". I think Kitty was 13 or 14...

[sandoz_iscariot]

Female superheroes being possessed/turning evil (often in skimpy, bondage-related outfits) has been a theme of Claremont's work since at least the Dark Phoenix Saga. He's done it with Jean Grey, Storm, Madelyne Pryor, Polaris, Karma, Kitty Pryde and Magik, and I think Rachel Summers too.