Ollie's Taste in Girls - Dinah and Ollie's Opinion

[espanolbot]

Firstly, here's Dinah's reaction to meeting Mia Dearsden for the first time.
From 'Quiver'


Since Dinah was herself in her late teens when she began dating Ollie, I guess she should know about this sort of thing.

Actually, was that a reference to Arrowette's mum, I wonder...

Secondly, here's Hal's opinion of What Would Ollie Do? No pun intended.
From Brave and the Bold 2,





Hm, how old was Arisa when Hal slept with her? Prior to the retcon of her species having a different relative aging span or some malarky?

This complied with Ollie dating Dinah when she was 18/19, and hitting on Barbara when she was Batgirl kind of make it seem kinda creepy.

If Dinah and Ollie are correct about Ollie's... taste in girls, I guess we'd have to hope he never hangs out with Arrowette, for numerous reasons.

Still, he has something in common with Slade now, that should tick him off to know.

Comments

[jaybee3]

I actually thought the B&B story was a pretty good one (and it came from around the time when DC was trying to fix they made of Kara by turning her angsty, moody violent rebel when they launched her title). And it makes sense that she might have a crush on him. This version of Supergirl never knew Parallax or Hal as Spectre. Does make the way Robinson wrote Hal talking to Kara like she was a criminal in Cry No More for Justice more than a bit-off though.

Also? Yet another scene of Black Canary hanging out with Batman. You know, the guy she apparently never knew was Bruce Wayne during the Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive storyline (despite being an original member of the JLA and despite it being clear everybody knew who everybody in Identity Crisis with the whole mind-wipe) and the guy she said she never asked anything of - not respect, nor friendship in Birds of Prey. Considering that, they do seem to be in a lot of scenes together over the years.

[ravenous_raven]

I'm not sure I like the way Kara is interpreted here. she seems the sterotypical shallow, idiotic blond who just can't shut up and can't resist flirting, or at least, being interested in someone, even if she is, as Hal puts it, "on duty."

the weird part is that she's not like that at all, she's actually pretty clever. SPOILER ---> when the 2 of them were at a fighting competition and Hal basically said that Kara should stop flirting with him because she was too young, her response was to capitulate on that misconception and immediately enter the competition dressed in a pink frilly dress, bows, and holding a stuffed animal. and later when she reads the BOOK, she understands the enormity and madness that the big entails, but deals with it.

so why is she being depicted as a bimbo? -_-

[cf105]

Because she's mentally a teenage girl flirting with her crush? I have friends of mine who are incredibly smart who used to instantly turn into an airhead whenever their crush was near. It was a pretty entertaining phenomenon.

[nagaoka]

Looks like Hal and Ollie both need a few shots of "No Molestol"

[glprime]

Tomorrow we arch anew!

[mystery]

Here's something I was thinking about while being creeped out by the Babs flirting with Ollie scans: When Ollie and Dinah first got together, pre-crisis, what were their approximate ages and or age difference?

A very long and probably over-detailed answer

[strannik01]

When Ollie and Dinah first got together, pre-crisis, what were their approximate ages and or age difference?

Oh boy. That's actually tricky. And by tricky I mean "so complicated it will make your head hurt."

When Ollie and Dinah originally got together, Dinah was supposed to be the original Golden Age Dinah Drake Black Canary. This took place in a comic that was published in 1969. Now, back then, DC still had multiple Earths, and Dinah was an immigrant from Earth-1. She decided to settle there after her husband, Larry Lance, killed himself and she couldn't bring herself to face a world where he was gone (or something like this). It seems that the writers didn't realize that having Ollie get together with a woman old enough to be his mother was a bit odd.

As the years went by, the age gap between the two became more and more apparent. Dinah, being a Golden Age character, would always be born in the 1920s while Ollie's birthday kept moving further and further in time (since Earth-1 operated on a sliding time scale). By 1980s, Dinah went from being old enough to being Ollie's grandmother, which is probably why, a few years before the Crisis, writers introduced a retcon where Dinah turned out to be the previously unseen daughter of the original who was brainwashed into thinking she was her own mother.

After the Crisis, this was simplified. In Post-Crisis continuity, the Black Canary that Green Arrow dated was always Dinah Lance, daughter of the original Golden Age Black Canary. The relaunched Green Arrow series established that Ollie was in his early 40s, while another series established by that Dihan Lance made her debut at 19, which meant that she was in her late 20s-early 30s in the debut issue of the relaunched Green Arrow series. Ironically, Dinah actually aged a few years during the course of the series (since it took place in real time).

Of course, both Dinah and Ollie have been been deaged by a few years by Lazarus Pit and Parallex-induced resurrection respectively, so God only knows how far apart they are right now.

[jkcarrier]

Pre-Crisis, as originally written, Dinah was the older one by a considerable margin. Back then, there were no mother-and-daughter Canaries...the Dinah who joined the JLA and hooked up with Ollie was the same person who was a JSA member in the 1940s. But they never dwelled on it, and Canary generally looked and acted as if she were the same age as the rest of the JLAers.

As time wore on, and the rest of the JSA were being depicted as more and more elderly-looking, someone finally said "Hey, wait a minute...!" and decided they needed to explain why Canary looked so young. They cooked up this bizarre scenario where Dinah the Elder's mind had been secretly transplanted into her previously-unseen daughter's body, and somehow nobody (including her!) noticed the difference, and...oh never mind, it's completely stupid. Dinah is the one character who's origin really was simplified in the Crisis reboot.

[lamashtar]

Ooo. Pre-Crisis, Dinah was her mother. Dinah was the one who did all the teamups with Golden Age Green Lantern and married Whats His Face. The JLA were all the young guys looking up to the more experienced JSA. I think Ollie had just grown his beard when Dinah's husband died during one of the annual JSA-JLA teamups. Out of grief, Dinah decided to migrate to Earth 1. Eventually, she and Ollie began a thing, though Ollie was always a little 'its a little wierd cuz her husband just died'. Certain internet persons have suggested that Ollie arranged to have her husband offed.

Post-Crisis, Dinah was a rebellious 18-year-old who helped found the JLA. YMMV.

[lieut_kettch]

There's an issue of JLA: Incarnations (I think it was the Satellite-era one) where Ollie mentions to Hal that he thinks he's going through a midlife crisis. One of the proofs he offers is that he's "dating a girl half his age."

[sistermagpie]

I suspect the Bats and Arrows always feel a little better after spending time watching the other family fight. It's nice for them.:-)

And no, Roy, you're never too old for a kid sidekick.

[mullon]

While Hal/Kara creeps me out, I like the idea of them being weird friends.

[lamashtar]

motto

[pyrotwilight]

Ah jailbait Kara. Good times. XP

[schala_kid]

Good thing Hal didn't try anything with Kara or else he would have brought the wrath of the Trinity upon him.

And to this day the whole Arisa thing makes me sick.

[lieut_kettch]

I remember the Hal/Kara thing from S_D 1.0. I was always thinking, "Seventeen is three years too many for Hal Jordan when it comes to cute blonde alien girls."

[demonprawn]

And Kyle's got women older than her in his refrigerator.

[citygod]

hey-yo!

[sinorhizobium]

God help me, I LOL'ed

[ladymirth]

*spittake* A+!

[tsunamiwombat]

I think people need to ease off Supergirl here, she's acting -very- naturally for her age. She's like 16/17. If she were 22/23 i'd say dumb blonde bimbo yeah, but it's been sceintifically PROVEN teenaged girls (and women in general if you believe some unsubstantiated statistics) talk -alot-. And her flirting with an older male authority figure is a natural extension for the sexual uncertainty she's feeling at this stage as she becomes a woman. She doesn't -really- mean anything by it, she's emulating the behavior she feels an older woman should.

It's part of growing up. Growing up sucks. Thats why there are so many teen movies.

[ravenous_raven]

I guess...and I'm sure nervousness adds to that...

[perletwo]

Am I the only one seeing Laura Dern in how Dinah is drawn here?

[proteus_lives]

Hal makes me think of the lyric, "She's only Seventeennnn. Seventeen!"

[citygod]

On a different topic... I see the assistant editors name is Buscema. That's a pretty unique name - she's related to John and Sal?

[jarodrussell]

A Green Lantern equating a teenage girl with things in his refrigerator will never stop being funny. Never.

[bariman]

That couldn't have been an intentional reference, could it?