cyberghostface: (Right One)cyberghostface ([personal profile] cyberghostface) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily,
@ 2009-12-13 10:50 pm UTC
Entry tags:char: ben parker, char: beyonder, char: gwen stacy, char: kingpin/wilson fisk, char: mephisto, char: spider-man/peter parker, creator: ron frenz, creator: tom defalco, title: amazing spider-man


Hmm, here's an interesting story. It appears that One More Day wasn't the first time Mephisto reared his ugly head in Spider-Man's book. That would be Amazing Spider-Man #274.

This was brought up in a previous thread as an attempt to defend OMD by listing this as an example of when Spider-Man "helped" Mephisto (In OMD, Mephisto unravels Pete and MJ's marriage because their love was pure and destroying it was an affront to and victory over God himself). I decided to give the issue a look to see if Peter's actions were similar to the one he took in OMD.

This took place during Secret Wars II, in which the Beyonder wanted to destroy the entire multiverse

Disclaimer: This was a thirty-page issue with no ads. Thus, I am posting ten pages.



The Beyonder has arrived in Mephisto's lair, with the intention of erasing it from existence. Mephisto attempts to buy himself some time and tries to convince Beyonder to divert his attentions elsewhere.



Beyonder then chooses his champion--Zarathos, the Spirit of Vengeance, who had been imprisoned by Mephisto for centuries.

The Beyonder explains the rules of their bet: "Since Spider-Man is an individual motivated by a deep sense of responsibility, all Zarathos has to do is get him renounce his responsibility in some concrete fashion." If Spider-Man persists, the multiverse's destruction will be postponed for the twenty-four hours. If not, the Beyonder will proceed with his plans.

Spider-Man, unaware that the fate of the entire multiverse is resting on his shoulders, is taking photos for the Daily Bugle of a hot car ring that's being held in a warehouse. He overhears, however, of the gang's plans to have Wilson Fisk, the Kingpin of Crime, assassinated at 6:00 when he attends a dinner reservation.



Zarathos torments Spider-Man with visions of what he considers to be his greatest failures. First up is Norman Osborn as the Green Goblin, who blames Spidey for his death (at this time, Norman was still considered dead) and for failing to save him. Spider-Man knows this can't be Norman, but begins to question his sanity.

Peter runs into his parents, who call him a disappointment for dropping out of college and failing to reach his true potential. Peter wakes up from this nightmare, only to find that his face is covered in boils. Peter gets into a cab to go to a hospital, only to find out that the cab driver is Captain George Stacy, who blames Spider-Man for letting him die. The cab turns into some sort of flying demonic hearse, and Peter finds himself falling.





Peter manages to avoid a blast from a demonic figure whose face is covered by a shroud. He introduces himself as the Ravager of Souls and the Living Spirit of Vengeance.





Zarathos tells Spider-Man that its his sense of responsibility that is torturing him, and all he has to do is to simply give up.







With this, Mephisto has won the bet. The Beyonder agrees to let the multiverse live for one more day. He admits that he has seen much that he must ponder, but that doesn't mean he has changed his mind yet.

So after reading this, would you consider Spider-Man helping Mephisto here to be the same as him making the deal in One More Day? 


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lamashtar: Peter Parker and his baby daughter (Spiderdaddy)


[personal profile] lamashtar
2009-12-14 05:59 am UTC (link)
I have the benefit of being a Zarathos fan, so I knew about this story. I have a theory that Zarathos' fanatic hunger for vengeance even against Spider-man--cuz he beat Zarathos here--is one of the reasons he chose to possess Reilly Tyne, Peter's clone's son.

Because its ultimately a Spider-man story, and everything, somehow, is Peter's fault..

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felinephoenix: I love Ulti!MJ's expressions a little too much. (ulti-spidey: mj hay hay hay)

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[personal profile] felinephoenix
2009-12-14 10:35 pm UTC (link)
That's been one of my pet MC2 theories for a while, too. Which could make for a really great fanfic if combined with one of my BND theories (that Mephisto undid the Spider-Marriage because someday Baby May would be a threat to him).

Now i just have to write the dang thing.

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lamashtar: Peter Parker and his baby daughter (Spiderdaddy)

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[personal profile] lamashtar
2009-12-15 03:11 am UTC (link)
Oh, I've had to accept that until someone keeps me in the style I'd like to grow accustomed, I will never finish my fanfic ideas.

My dream fix is that May crosses universes, possibly with Darkdevil, and breaks Mephisto's spell. The way is left open so we can have more cross universe teamups. Peter and MJ might or might not reconcile...but Reilly Tyne the child is found and adopted by Peter (I posit Osborn as killing off Janine just for completion's sake). He'd be old enough to be interesting now for writers.

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[personal profile] skalja
2009-12-15 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, except PETER CAN'T BE A PARENT THAT WOULD MAKE HIM TOO OLD, THE HORRORS, THE HORRORS.

The thing is, though, that Peter is legally Ben's (distant?) cousin on May's side, which means he's not that closely related to Reilly and not an automatic candidate to take him in -- besides which he's a single adult with a not very stable home life. OTOH, we've just been introduced to May's extended family: the Boston clan. Reilly would need a bit of in-universe backstory massaging to explain why they never knew he or Ben existed, but they could take him in.

Peter might feel bad about it, but honestly it would be more responsible of him to give Reilly over to a family that could raise him properly than to try and be a single superhero parent himself with his personal track record. Which, well, I love Peter, but he can't even take care of himself half the time, even ignoring BND.

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[personal profile] lamashtar
2009-12-15 07:44 pm UTC (link)
Good point. If there were ever an extended crossover, I'm pretty sure Peter would be borrowing money from Reilly.

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[personal profile] felinephoenix
2009-12-16 12:22 am UTC (link)
That is hilariously sadly likely.

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[personal profile] felinephoenix
2009-12-16 01:16 am UTC (link)
Well, anyone's better than Reilly's other family.

Not going to lie, I was kind of hoping for a little clonespawn amongst the Reilly clan. I really doubted it would happen because, well, BND, but it would've made for a much better than plot than HURR HURR MY COUSINS ARE HOT.

...on a semi-unrelated note, is it weird that I think Ben Reilly would handle single fatherhood better than Peter?

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skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: jessica badass drew)


[personal profile] skalja
2009-12-16 01:58 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it would have! And it's not like they're not on a Clone Saga nostalgia kick anyway, right?

You know I'm not a Clone Saga expert, but Ben has more experience going it alone (like, really alone) than Peter, doesn't he? So that would make sense.

Psst get on AIM if you're available.

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[personal profile] felinephoenix
2009-12-16 02:06 am UTC (link)
Right! It also would've given Kaine a great motivation to come back instead of that whole "oh noes Ben killed a guy but not really!" nonsense.

And I'm no Clone Saga expert myself but that's what I was thinking. In some ways, Ben is much more mature than Peter. (Despite being written as the more cheerful Spidey at times.)

Logging on!

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[personal profile] skalja
2009-12-16 02:18 am UTC (link)
I stopped reading around then so I missed that. I assume it wasn't very good, then.

And yeah, he kind of was, wasn't he. Of course, in fairness, Peter was hardly being presented at his best ... but my fangirl fantasy is for Ben to come back, but retain the title of Big Brother:

"Wait, but I'm the older one, we know that now!"
"Sure, but I'm more mature and well-adjusted."
"... Okay, you've got me there."

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[personal profile] felinephoenix
2009-12-16 01:02 am UTC (link)
Plus, the writers could always use the OH MY GOD WHAT IF LITTLE REILLY IS DEGENERATING hook for ~*dramatic tension*~. Like a tiny Aunt May, so to speak. (Though I'd hope he wouldn't actually die. That would be the most depressing Spidey story ever.)

Actually, on second thought, Reilly would probably turn out more like Spider-Man's Jason Todd. Not in the psycho sense but in the bratty kid with anger issues sense. Except I'd like to think Peter, despite his many faults, would be a better father to the kid than Bruce was to Jason.

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lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (nonbelievers)


[personal profile] lamashtar
2009-12-16 05:30 am UTC (link)
Just imagine the next time Peter gets thrown out onto the street though, with a kid in tow. Worst father ever!

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[personal profile] skalja
2009-12-15 05:21 pm UTC (link)
I would like to subscribe to both of your newsletters!

I mean, of theories, not of fanfics. Altough I like your fanfics, FP.

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[personal profile] felinephoenix
2009-12-16 12:32 am UTC (link)
Awww, thank you. Given my laziness when it comes to writing, idea subscription is probably a better idea anyway.

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