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Preview for two X-titles at Newsarama here, including New Mutant #9 (Which we've seen unlettered pages for before). (The other preview is Nation X, and it's PAD penned, so is a no-no here)

Just in case though - Spoilers under the cut

Doug and Warlock are being checked out post Necrosha and it would appear that Doug has managed to recover completely from being A) dead and B) a Necroshan zombie thing.

Doug is fine, but Warlock is operating at low power and will take a long time to regenerate since he appears to have switched to a vegan diet... or the T-O equivalent thereof.

Danger is fascinated by Warlock, but as Doug quickly notices....



Doug appears to have aged whilst he was dead since he was only about 16 then and seems older here. He's a cute li'l dickens just the same though.


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preview
title: new mutants
char: cyclops/scott summers
char: cypher/doug ramsey
char: white queen/emma frost
char: warlock
creator: zeb wells
creator: paul davidson

Date: 2010-01-02 01:55 am (UTC)
iskander: (Default)
From: [personal profile] iskander
Well what about the rest of the x-men ? what are they supposed to be mid-twenties by now ?? Oh' Marvel time, why do some characters age but never Franklin..

Date: 2010-01-02 02:22 am (UTC)
iskander: (Default)
From: [personal profile] iskander
I thought "marveltime" said the amount of time from the fantastic four's origin to "now" was always 10 years that just kept pushing ahead (?) or has this been chucked ? How old is Peter Parker then ???

Date: 2010-01-02 06:59 am (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
In Dan Slott's Thing series, it was established that the FF were created at least 13 years ago to establish a bar mitzvah loophole.

Date: 2010-01-02 03:49 am (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
I always assumed most of the original X-men were in their mid-thirties. I remember hearing from some official source that they were supposed to be in their early to mid-twenties, though, which makes no sense to me. In the New X-men, Kid Omega held up a newspaper clipping that came out early in first run of X-men and said it came out the day he was born. I figured he was about 15 and the X-men were around 16-17 when the clipping came out. Ergo, the early X-men must be around 32. Apparently that was nixed, though.

Date: 2010-01-02 07:21 am (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
It's even odder because he appeared to be younger in House of M, too.

Date: 2010-01-02 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
he was about as old as the other ex-New Mutants who appeared in it.

Date: 2010-01-02 02:06 am (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
Wow, I bet they got Magik off a torrent tracker or something. Those darn kids and their piracy!

Date: 2010-01-02 03:00 am (UTC)
simiansyndicate: (pic#365923)
From: [personal profile] simiansyndicate
Who knew the forces of darkness would be so tech-savvy?

And you know they didn't seed their Magik file, those jerks.

Date: 2010-01-02 07:08 am (UTC)
thanekos: Kouhei " Principal Garren " Hayami, the Libra Zodiarts, is bugged. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
nah, they just fired up JDownloader and dumped in a bunch of split 400 meg links

Date: 2010-01-02 07:18 am (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
They had a bit of trouble since Rapidshare kept deleting the "Soul" section of the RARset.

Date: 2010-01-02 03:26 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
You wouldn't download an X-man....

...Okay, maybe you would.

Date: 2010-01-02 02:17 am (UTC)
autumn_lily: jason todd (Default)
From: [personal profile] autumn_lily
What's this about sexual tension? Screw what Nemesis says, please go on Douglas!

Date: 2010-01-02 04:17 am (UTC)
terrykun: (don't listen)
From: [personal profile] terrykun
Oh hell no, they BETTER not have Maddy eying someone else up behind his wife's back. >:(

Date: 2010-01-02 06:28 am (UTC)
autumn_lily: jason todd (Default)
From: [personal profile] autumn_lily
Potential extramarital hanky panky? Lil's gonna come kick somebody's ass!

Date: 2010-01-02 06:31 am (UTC)
autumn_lily: jason todd (Default)
From: [personal profile] autumn_lily
Dear lord, let it not be Danger...please just no...

Date: 2010-01-02 03:57 pm (UTC)
sir_mikael: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sir_mikael
Oh right the whole Forge thing...

Yeah, I'm totally imagining Forge going all "Talk binary to me..."

Date: 2010-01-02 07:39 pm (UTC)
cmdr_zoom: (zoom)
From: [personal profile] cmdr_zoom
*modem crackle*

Date: 2010-01-02 02:18 am (UTC)
savitar: Tardis (Default)
From: [personal profile] savitar
Warlock looks so pissed when he says pirated copy.

For some reason that amuses me.

Date: 2010-01-02 02:29 am (UTC)
ext_399474: (Default)
From: [identity profile] kainnived.livejournal.com
Well he is looking "At the camera" as he says it.

Date: 2010-01-02 02:46 am (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
Warlock promotes the DMCA!

Date: 2010-01-02 01:02 pm (UTC)
savitar: Tardis (Default)
From: [personal profile] savitar
He is directing looking at the reader indeed, hence my amusement and what might be insinuated by that.

Date: 2010-01-02 02:25 am (UTC)
mullon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mullon
All the robots are doing the HK-47 voice now.

Date: 2010-01-02 02:28 am (UTC)
cmdr_zoom: (zoom)
From: [personal profile] cmdr_zoom
Aww, Warlock is still woobie.

Date: 2010-01-02 02:39 am (UTC)
box_in_the_box: (Default)
From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
I love how much the worm has turned for Doug.

It used to be that everyone was all LANGUAGE POWERS PFFT WHAT GOOD ARE THOSE, but now, in the information age, Doug's language powers basically give him God Mode abilities over everyone else, and that smug smirk on his face says that he knows it.

Date: 2010-01-02 02:47 am (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
No, I think the worms actually left Doug.

http://instantrimshot.com/

Date: 2010-01-02 05:11 am (UTC)
glimmung: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glimmung
He and forge should hang out for a while.

Too bad Prodigy is de-powered.

Date: 2010-01-02 07:19 am (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
Um... maybe he's depowered, but he still has all the knowledge of every single person he "absorbed"... so he's still in full-on Wikipedia mode. :P

Date: 2010-01-02 07:02 pm (UTC)
jarodrussell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jarodrussell
Too bad Forge is dead.

Date: 2010-01-02 07:54 pm (UTC)
jarodrussell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jarodrussell
Astonishing X-Men #30

Question

Date: 2010-01-02 07:57 am (UTC)
roguefankc: Leomon (Default)
From: [personal profile] roguefankc
So body language can count as a language Doug can decipher? (according to the mention of the doctor's body language in the first scan)

Because then can't it be used as reading an attacker's moves during hand-to-hand combat and being able to counter with exactly the required attack you need? I'm not sure if this was alluded to before in the past or not.

If that's the case, then wow, you're right. Language powers CAN be God-like.

Date: 2010-01-02 08:01 am (UTC)
box_in_the_box: (Default)
From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
Yes to all of the above.

Doug just became the next Taskmaster.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-02 10:19 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Cassandra Cain without the physical ability or combat intuition.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-02 09:43 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
It'd be fun to see them hold a conversation... no fighting, just 'talking' :)

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-02 11:04 am (UTC)
cmdr_zoom: (zoom)
From: [personal profile] cmdr_zoom
Motto.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-02 06:46 pm (UTC)
lieut_kettch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
But at least both can be acquired with training. Granted, he won't be as good as someone with Cass' natural talents, but it'd still make him at least as formidable as Prodigy in hand-to-hand combat.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-02 07:03 pm (UTC)
jarodrussell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jarodrussell
Or that pesky second X chromosome.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-02 09:45 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Nothing pesky about it.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-02 08:10 pm (UTC)
long_silence: (Default)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
You did read the scene where Doug took down the majority of the New Mutants in about 10 seconds right?

Even now that's he's been freed of the T/O infection I doubt that Wells will stop using him as an uber martial artist.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-02 10:17 pm (UTC)
jarodrussell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jarodrussell
Except he's a programmer, which means he doesn't just read languages, he knows how to recombine them into functional tools.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-03 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
Doug isn't slow or clumsy. He's just not highly trained. He's always been shown in good shape physically so I bet he could learn no problem.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-03 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
that was when he thought he was useless for combat. Now that he kicked New Mutant ass he probably knows better. Plus he wouldn't want to die again.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-02 11:08 pm (UTC)
joasakura: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joasakura
he kicks ass in NM 06 by reading all of their body languages

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-04 12:10 am (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
You'd still need to be able to interpret it quickly enough to know what moves were being set up as they happened, and have reflexes fast enough and applicable hand-to-hand skills to do something about it. I don't think that applies to Doug.

It would theoretically make him a great negotiator though.

Re: Question

Date: 2010-01-05 02:05 am (UTC)
megaspork: "Hello Mr. Hat!" (Default)
From: [personal profile] megaspork
Isn't he part techno-organic now though? They say it's in remission, but it's still what's reanimating him as well. So he could have the processing power nowadays. :)

Date: 2010-01-02 07:01 pm (UTC)
jarodrussell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jarodrussell
"...nut now, in the information age..."

Dude, these are still comics we're talking about. Fans might be cumming over his return...but speaking as a fan of Oracle, Cassandra Cain, and Iron Man...handing a comic book writer those kind of cool powers is like asking Freddy Kruger for a hand job. Were I a fan of Cypher (and I'm not, sorry) I'd be much more worried about how they're going to fuck him over than anything else.

Date: 2010-01-02 09:56 pm (UTC)
jarodrussell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jarodrussell
Oh, well, as long as he's incompetent and unable to use his powers in effective, novel ways, then he'll do fine. (Sadly, I am not being sarcastic or sardonic.)

Date: 2010-01-02 02:56 am (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Will they every upgrade Warlock's appearance? I'm not saying that he looks bad, but he is influence by 80s artwork right? What's keeping the creators from giving him a today's "edgy" look

Date: 2010-01-02 03:23 am (UTC)
perletwo: a girl and her dragon (kitty-lockheed)
From: [personal profile] perletwo
It may be a function of his operating on extremely low power, as they say on these pages - when he's stronger he "polishes" his appearance? I can't find it now, but I'm thinking particularly of that endless chase between Warlock and the Impossible Man that was posted here awhile ago.

Date: 2010-01-02 03:25 am (UTC)
nezchan: You gotta be kidding (facepalm)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
So...you're recommending they change a good design to crap, then?

Date: 2010-01-02 04:08 am (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
No, I just saying that so far, to my knowledge, Warlock's appearance seems to be the only constant in comics for years.

Date: 2010-01-02 07:02 am (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
Superman's wardrobe would like a word with you.

Date: 2010-01-02 05:15 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
After the Reign of the Superman, Clark grows a mullet.
After Worlds at War, he had a black background on his S instead of yellow.
And do we really need to recount that whole Superman Red and Blue thing?
And his first issue appearance... and he early golden age outfit (with the S diamond being a triangle).

Date: 2010-01-02 11:06 am (UTC)
cmdr_zoom: (zoom)
From: [personal profile] cmdr_zoom
Every artist draws him slightly different. My personal fave is Art Adams, followed by Sienkewiecz(?), his creator; with a Big No to how he's depicted by Alan Davis, whose art I love otherwise.

Date: 2010-01-02 06:20 am (UTC)
redorion: (Default)
From: [personal profile] redorion
They actually did in his little known 90's series.

Date: 2010-01-02 08:05 am (UTC)
box_in_the_box: (Default)
From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
I prefer Doug's look as it is, thanks.

In fact, given his deceptively formidable powers, a bland appearance would be perfectly suited to them.

"Yeah, I'm the guy who doesn't have a flashy look or impressive powers ... all I can do is read your body language to tell exactly what's on your mind, and use my language abilities to hack into every database you own and completely butt-fuck every digital resource you have, and the kick your fucking ass because I can anticipate all your combat moves. I don't dress to impress because I'm already impressive enough that you should be scared shitless of me as is."

Date: 2010-01-03 05:09 am (UTC)
mcity: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mcity
If I had a choice, I'd have that power in real life. Screw flight and invulnerability and all that, just give me that power, and then leave before I sell you a bridge.

Date: 2010-01-03 03:15 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Hank McCoy)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Actually, it's how he looks on these pages that now has me very interested in this book!

Date: 2010-01-02 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hybrid2
did the writer compately ignore Nova?

not surprising when the writer could'nt keep up with what was hapening between Nova and the Conquest Mini serie.
:-/

Date: 2010-01-02 03:20 am (UTC)
suzene: (Default)
From: [personal profile] suzene
I'm a bit disappointed that Cypher didn't get to make a rather more pointed comment to Emma, considering their history, but maybe later in the issue...

Date: 2010-01-02 05:12 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Which history? When she recruited him? When she mind-molested him with Kitty's image? When she imprisoned children trying to rescue him so she could have her perfectly molded army? Or when she pretended to be a good guy so Magneto would hand them over without a fight, and rewired all their brains to be happy?

Date: 2010-01-02 08:16 am (UTC)
suzene: (Default)
From: [personal profile] suzene
All of the above? ;)

Date: 2010-01-03 01:15 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
On the other hand, Doug also went through the "OMG MAGNETO THE X-MEN'S ARCHENEMY IS OUR TEACHER NOW"...And Mags proved trustworthy (I think). Then the X-men allied with the Hellfire Club a few times :( so it might be par for the stupid course for him.

Date: 2010-01-03 01:07 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
I didn't say she made them her slaves. She made them happy. Because it didn't work in the end and because the emotional rape Empath put their teachers through got found out, she worked with Magneto for a better fix, then returned the kids to make it look like she really was the caregiver she was pretending to be.

This was long before her character change.

Date: 2010-01-03 04:27 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Was this a retcon? Because according to Emma's own thoughts *back then* she wasn't doing this for survival, but power. She assigned Empath to make Magneto feel despair, so she could offer to take over.

Date: 2010-01-02 03:21 am (UTC)
foxhack: (Big Cheese <3)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
WAIT A SEC.

That scientist in the first pages? That's MARTY FELDMAN!

Image and video hosting by TinyPic

(One of the pictures actually looks like it was traced from a photo of him, and I know it's not - the resemblance is uncanny!)

Date: 2010-01-02 05:03 am (UTC)
long_silence: (Default)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
We already pretty much knew that the current Magik was some sort of replica of Illyana and not the real one.

Belasco made a soulless demon with her appearance and her memories, and then said demon stole the soul sword.

Isn't Jeffries married to Diamond Lil?

Date: 2010-01-02 05:14 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
I thought the new Magik was made by the Scarlet Witch.

Date: 2010-01-02 05:37 am (UTC)
long_silence: (Default)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
That was House of M Magik. It was Illyana's reappearance during HoM that made Belasco believe that she'd been brought back.

But then HoM ended and he decided to try to recreate her, but she wasn't as good as the real thing, so he attacked the X-Kids because during HoM Illyana hung out with them and he thought they were hiding her.

Date: 2010-01-02 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I thought it was House of M Magik, kind of turned into regular Magik. She was step-disking when reality ended so I figured Limbo might have been outside of her range, but the House of M memories faded.

Date: 2010-01-02 08:04 pm (UTC)
long_silence: (Default)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
No, but that sure would have been a lot simpler than the convoluted mess we ended up getting.

Date: 2010-01-02 06:33 am (UTC)
autumn_lily: jason todd (Default)
From: [personal profile] autumn_lily
Yes he's married! Damnit! Leave at least one marriage alone Marvel!

Date: 2010-01-02 07:04 am (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
I think it was on TVTropes that the Wife vs. Mother theory of Joe Quesada's psyche was formulated. All wives drag down male characters, but mothers (for reasons I won't discuss) get a pass from Joe. Thus, since Mad and Lil don't have any children, she's toast.

Date: 2010-01-02 07:37 am (UTC)
autumn_lily: not mused (unhappy)
From: [personal profile] autumn_lily
Grrrrrrrrrr....

...

Date: 2010-01-02 08:01 am (UTC)
roguefankc: No, just no. (Just No)
From: [personal profile] roguefankc
That logic actually scares me, and yet I'm not exactly sure where to start on why that is.

Pretty Old School.

Date: 2010-01-02 07:19 am (UTC)
nefrekeptah: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nefrekeptah
Is it just me, or does New Mutants seem to be... pandering to the base too much? Of course, the entire comic is based on appealing the old fans who still remember the New Mutants cast from twenty-five years ago, but you've still got to have some kind of hook or concept to get new readers in, and it seems this book is kinda lacking on that front. Which is a rather big thing to lack, since the original series ended twenty-five years ago.

Take Doug Ramsey, for example. There's basically three camps concerning him; the small fanbase that loves him, the small fanbase that hates him, and the large amount of comic book readers who have no idea who the hell Doug Ramsey is, or why they should care about him coming back. Same with Legion and the Hellions - some people will go "Sweet!" but the other eighty-five percent will go, "who?"

How is it different?

Date: 2010-01-03 12:47 am (UTC)
nefrekeptah: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nefrekeptah
The attitude, mostly. A good writer introducing a new character will take pains to show us what the new character is like, and why you should care about them. A writer introducing a previously established one will often assume that the reader already cares about them; which is just fine if you're talking about Superman or Captain America, but becomes problematic when the character is more obscure.

Some writers circumnavigate the problem by introducing obscure characters as though they were new characters, like how I feel DnA have done with most of the cosmic universe. There attitude was more like; "This is Nova. You've never heard of him, but he's awesome, and here's why" While with Zeb Wells, it was more like, "Doug's back! Isn't that awesome?"

Re: Pretty Old School.

Date: 2010-01-02 11:19 am (UTC)
rordulum: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rordulum
I agree with you completely. This book has been an utter disappointment to me ever since I first heard it was in the works.

This is what happens when the X-office is populated solely by 80s fanboys. You've got them all changing Scott Summers into a completely different character, just because they desperately want him to be cool.

You've got the shoving aside of the majority of characters created since 1990, except Pixie, who they were using as a Kitty-clone.

And now you've got the resurrection of a book that only ever had, for me, marginally interesting characters. Cannonball was the only one I ever cared for, and he was also the one who made the jump to X-Man proper.

Bringing back Doug Ramsay is a terrible move, in my opinion. His one lasting legacy to the X-Men was that he died. Bringing him back completely negates his usefulness, just like it did when DC brought Jason Todd back, and like it would have been with Bucky, if Brubaker hadn't done such a tour de force job of his retcon.

So now, the only character to have stayed dead is Uncle Ben. Great, I wonder when we can expect him to return as a supervillain intent on wreaking vengeance on Aunt May for moving on. Sigh.

Re: Pretty Old School.

Date: 2010-01-03 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
You always gets cases like that. In the 90's the characters from the 80's were shoved aside for new characters.

Date: 2010-01-02 07:43 am (UTC)
proteus_lives: (Default)
From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
Yah!

"Pirated Copy"

Oh, Warlock how I've missed you and Doug.

Date: 2010-01-02 07:09 pm (UTC)
jarodrussell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jarodrussell
Upgrades != Pirated copy

If Illyana is some kind of clone, that wouldn't make her Illyana 2.0. Beast growing fur would make him Beast 2.0, Beast turning into a cat would be Beast 3.0, but McKoy has never been referred to as "Beast 2.0" because he's a different person, not an upgraded version.

Warlock needs to stop asking comic book writers for proper usage of 'net speak.

Date: 2010-01-02 07:19 pm (UTC)
freddie_mac: (bat-adv_harley--icon)
From: [personal profile] freddie_mac
LOL! Thanks for this -- I'll be chuckling all afternoon. Not sure which is funnier: Cyke's comment about having no X-Men left if they cut those who've attached other members, or Warlock's reference to a pirated copy :)

Date: 2010-01-02 07:52 pm (UTC)
cmdr_zoom: (oops)
From: [personal profile] cmdr_zoom
And how much is Claremont and his mind-control fetish to blame for the former?

Date: 2010-01-02 11:04 pm (UTC)
joasakura: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joasakura
"Social Discomfort" ahahahahaha! <3<3

oh warlock :D

Date: 2010-01-03 03:28 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Hank McCoy)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Warlock! you're like my favorite non-blue X-person ever
Doug you're also an alright dude
It's so cool seeing thee guys again, might have to give this one a look!

Date: 2010-01-05 12:10 am (UTC)
neuhallidae: (Default)
From: [personal profile] neuhallidae
This might be a stupid question, but Dani's a Valkyrie again, right? So why do the recap/introduction pages keep referring to her as just "De-Powered" like that's there is to her?

Date: 2010-01-05 12:31 am (UTC)
neuhallidae: (Default)
From: [personal profile] neuhallidae
So frikkin' what? Just say she's a Valkyrie, then. It's not that hard and less insulting.

Date: 2010-01-05 12:47 am (UTC)
neuhallidae: (Default)
From: [personal profile] neuhallidae
The fact that she was de-powered stuck in her craw hugely because of the way the team's treatment towards her, especially Sam's, changed. Hell, the fact that she was treated as useless and helpless and someone who needed to be out of the way and protected was part of the reason she was so gung-ho about being a Valkyrie again. The fact that the recap only acknowledges her as "the de-powered one" is insulting specifically because of that.

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