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 This is a panel from Amazing Spider-Man #365, from a backup story written by Stan Lee and Tom DeFalco and illustrated by John Romita Sr. I'll post some of the context later, but for now, I thought I'd post this one solitary panel which is particularly tragic in light of current affairs.



No, you wouldn't... but Peter would. : ( 

Date: 2010-01-16 01:21 am (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax
It's easy to make excuses for her, but that was a really ignorant thing to say.

Date: 2010-01-16 01:26 am (UTC)
arbre_rieur: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
Maybe, but it's also human. And she has the bravery to acknowledge that there's a certain selfishness in it, at least.

Date: 2010-01-16 01:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bluefall
Not remotely.

It was a selfish thing to say, as she herself acknowledges before she says it. It's also a very practical thing to say, and not an unempathic one, since May holds the same position and MJ would, on the other side of the argument, almost without question feel the same as well.

Date: 2010-01-16 01:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
how was that an ignorant thing to say. That's Pretty Much what Aunt May told her.

If MJ "convinced" Peter to "Let Aunt May die," despite what he said, he would ALWAYS have that resentment in his mind.

Aunt May pretty much told him, im done peter, i have lived a good life "I WANT to be with uncle Ben now."

no, the whole thing was motivated by Peter's guilt. BS. Aunt May Knew what she was getting into from day one. hell she "poisoned" the Chameleon. She knows how much danger being with Peter was just as much as MJ did.

But peter could not live with the "guilt." seriously he should have been catholic.... so he in effect, "guilted" MJ into it, not consciously, but he did.

regardless, i am hoping that the pay off in the end is they end up getting back together, and AUNT MAY finds out what they did and goes to town on them both. Him for even conscidering it for a moment, and her for not stepping up and saying No.

but until the pay off, i am STILL not buying a single Spider-man book.

Date: 2010-01-16 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] taggerung301
you could buy Ultimate Spiderman
it's still fun :D

Date: 2010-01-16 01:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
ugh, the ultimate universe was ruined with Ultimatum....

Date: 2010-01-16 01:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] punishermax
Not really. Spider Man is still good and has pretty much ignored Ultimatum, and even when it does it's in awesome ways with May running a mini X-Mansion.

Ultimates is still Ultimates so take it or leave it.

Date: 2010-01-16 01:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
heh, okay, your right.... i actually love that little Mini C-Mansion thing.... though i miss firestar and Colossus/Northstar

Date: 2010-01-16 01:45 am (UTC)
box_in_the_box: (Default)
From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
From a writing standpoint, I'll actually agree with you. Aunt May's youth hostel is one of the best uses I've ever seen of her character.

Pity that Ultimatum destroyed any lingering interest in the line, though, since UCSM sales are in fucking freefall. :(

Date: 2010-01-16 01:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] punishermax
Eh, I'm just glad Loeb was finally able to rub one out on the Ultimate verse and be done with it.It was going to happen eventually and it's over so, just rebuild.

Date: 2010-01-16 02:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
Why does Loeb keep getting work?

It can't even be defended from a strictly mercenary sales standpoint anymore, because sales on his Hulk run are dropping even faster than UCSM and ASM.

Past a certain point, you really do have to consider that Marvel is putting him on books just to say FUCK YOU to its own readership.

Date: 2010-01-16 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Actually, Ultimatum wasn't an one-off--he's doing the New Ultimates, and he's either doing the minis Ultimate Enemy or Ultimate X, or both of them.

Date: 2010-01-16 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] taggerung301
"UCSM sales are in fucing freefall"
If it gets cancelled, I will be a sad little fan :(

Date: 2010-01-16 02:52 am (UTC)
box_in_the_box: (Default)
From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
Sales are already at 45K, five issues in.

The lowest sales they EVER achieved, after 130-some-odd issues of the previous run, was 49K.

Date: 2010-01-16 01:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
BUFFY reference!

Date: 2010-01-16 02:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Musical episode (yes i said Musical episode, and it was GLORIOUS) there is a line in it where Buffy's sister gets kidnapped and Buffy says "Dawn's in trouble. Must be Tuesday."

Brechtian line for a) buffy appeared on Tuesday Nights since January of 98. and Dawn pretty much gets into trouble ever time she appears.

Date: 2010-01-16 01:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
"no, the whole thing was motivated by Peter's guilt."

You say that like it's a failing. His whole Spider-Man career is motivated by guilt.

Date: 2010-01-16 01:47 am (UTC)
box_in_the_box: (Default)
From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
Bit of a difference between selfish guilt and non-selfish guilt.

Date: 2010-01-16 01:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
He wants the woman who was like a mother to him to not die. Nothing selfish about that.

Similarly, if May was strapped to a bomb, and she screamed at Peter to not risk his life to defuse it, that his own life was more important than hers, I'd expect him to try to defuse it anyway. That's how superheroes roll.

Date: 2010-01-16 02:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
"Similarly, if May was strapped to a bomb, and she screamed at Peter to not risk his life to defuse it, that his own life was more important than hers, I'd expect him to try to defuse it anyway. That's how superheroes roll."

only they are COMPLETELY different situations. yes, any Hero would risk his life to save some one despite his own safety. But Peter is not risking his life here. He is for all intents and purposes selling his soul to the devil, yes we can split hairs and say "well a marriage does not equal a soul." but the Devil's pretty much said that in cases of marriage two souls become one. So in selling he marriage, their marriage, he sold his soul.

hell if aunt may was not enough to convince him, JESUS CHRIST/GOD himself come down to him and told him to just trust in him and that everything would be okay..... but he didn't he made a deal with the devil. and cost him the life of him and MJ's daughter.

again, i am pretty sure this is going to end with them back together and Aunt May is going to come and kick both their asses for being so stupid.

Date: 2010-01-16 02:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
I do think most superheroes would be willing to sacrifice even their souls to save the lives of innocents, in the sense that if the only way to remove the bomb in time was to sign away their souls, and they saw no other way, they'd do it.

"cost him the life of him and MJ's daughter."

Since she wasn't conceived yet, that's no more taking someone's life than abortion is.

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May Day and the future

Date: 2010-01-17 09:10 pm (UTC)
hohaiyee: Tea that's yellow like butter within its cup, upon a maroon hued table, strewn with hot pink flowers shaped like stars (Bloom)
From: [personal profile] hohaiyee
I haven't read much of Spidergirl...but doesn't she know |Franklin Richards? Grown Franklin who could time-travel? Wouldn't Spidergirl never having been born, and heck, Peter and Mary's marriage, have a huuuuge averse effect on Franklin's timeline?

Mary Jane was in the Avenger's Tower, that's a huge difference.

I wonder if Franklin from the future would ever show up to fix this.

Date: 2010-01-16 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
Yeah, but there's still a big difference between that situation, and "I'll make a deal with Satan to save you" territory. I can't see how that meshes with normal-superhero-territory.

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