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 This is a panel from Amazing Spider-Man #365, from a backup story written by Stan Lee and Tom DeFalco and illustrated by John Romita Sr. I'll post some of the context later, but for now, I thought I'd post this one solitary panel which is particularly tragic in light of current affairs.



No, you wouldn't... but Peter would. : ( 

Date: 2010-01-16 02:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
"Similarly, if May was strapped to a bomb, and she screamed at Peter to not risk his life to defuse it, that his own life was more important than hers, I'd expect him to try to defuse it anyway. That's how superheroes roll."

only they are COMPLETELY different situations. yes, any Hero would risk his life to save some one despite his own safety. But Peter is not risking his life here. He is for all intents and purposes selling his soul to the devil, yes we can split hairs and say "well a marriage does not equal a soul." but the Devil's pretty much said that in cases of marriage two souls become one. So in selling he marriage, their marriage, he sold his soul.

hell if aunt may was not enough to convince him, JESUS CHRIST/GOD himself come down to him and told him to just trust in him and that everything would be okay..... but he didn't he made a deal with the devil. and cost him the life of him and MJ's daughter.

again, i am pretty sure this is going to end with them back together and Aunt May is going to come and kick both their asses for being so stupid.

Date: 2010-01-16 02:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
I do think most superheroes would be willing to sacrifice even their souls to save the lives of innocents, in the sense that if the only way to remove the bomb in time was to sign away their souls, and they saw no other way, they'd do it.

"cost him the life of him and MJ's daughter."

Since she wasn't conceived yet, that's no more taking someone's life than abortion is.

Date: 2010-01-16 02:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Their soul is a bigger thing than their life, even in the marvel world, because of Heroes returning from the dead, their is a belief in souls. So the proper term is "heroes would not risk even their lives, let alone their souls."

But I think you are wrong here, because the very definition of a Hero in th MU is that they WOULD risk their lives for an innocent

As for the abortion thing... No comment... Not getting into THAT

Date: 2010-01-16 03:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
I think you misunderstand me. I agree that they'd be willing to sacrifice their lives to save innocent lives. I also think they'd be willing to sacrifice their souls (provided it's in the "sign your soul away" sense and not the more poetic "do something evil" sense) to save innocents.

Date: 2010-01-16 03:25 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Ha. You didn't know she was pregnant?

Date: 2010-01-16 03:54 am (UTC)
arbre_rieur: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
No, I didn't.

Date: 2010-01-16 07:26 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
It was hinted from MJ's nausea that the daughter Peter spoke with was about to exist, but due to the reality-mucking wouldn't. I've been wondering if they'd be bold enough to insert a miscarriage (not merely a potential) into the history. That would be a definite 'and this is what you REALLY paid' moment. Also gives MJ something else in common with May. Might be too much though, and they still have opportunity to say they didn't mean to imply that at all.

Date: 2010-01-16 12:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] skalja
Not to detract from your main point, but at least up through OMD it was canon that MJ had had an Osborn-induced miscarriage: May Parker, who in the MC2 universe is not miscarried but kidnapped, rescued, and becomes Spider-Girl. Of course, in 616 the "did Osborn poison MJ and kill her or did he kidnap her to raise her IN EVIL MWAHAHAHA" plotline got killed with the reboot and the baby was never mentioned again, because apparently even miscarriages make a couple too old -- but Tony Stark mentioned it in one of those Civil War Secret Files comics.

... FYI. XD

Date: 2010-01-16 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
"Since she wasn't conceived yet, that's no more taking someone's life than abortion is."

Yeah dude, don't even go there. Because you're gonna find that people might vehemently disagree with you on that, and that kind of shouting is the *last* thing this post needs.

Date: 2010-01-16 06:26 am (UTC)
arbre_rieur: (DC Nation)
From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have gone there...

Date: 2010-01-16 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
Really?

;)

May Day and the future

Date: 2010-01-17 09:10 pm (UTC)
hohaiyee: Tea that's yellow like butter within its cup, upon a maroon hued table, strewn with hot pink flowers shaped like stars (Bloom)
From: [personal profile] hohaiyee
I haven't read much of Spidergirl...but doesn't she know |Franklin Richards? Grown Franklin who could time-travel? Wouldn't Spidergirl never having been born, and heck, Peter and Mary's marriage, have a huuuuge averse effect on Franklin's timeline?

Mary Jane was in the Avenger's Tower, that's a huge difference.

I wonder if Franklin from the future would ever show up to fix this.

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