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I posted a panel from this story the other day, and it inspired an...interesting discussion. Here's the context behind it. It comes from Amazing Spider-Man #365. Tom DeFalco plotted it, Stan Lee wrote the script and John Romita Sr. illustrated it.






Mary Jane thinks about the day Captain Stacy died, in which during a fight between Doctor Octopus and Spider-Man, a chimney fell over and Stacy was crushed saving a little boy from being hit.








Date: 2010-01-17 07:00 pm (UTC)
roxrox: (Default)
From: [personal profile] roxrox
Daw!

Date: 2010-01-17 07:16 pm (UTC)
darkblade: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkblade
Then again if you didn't make sure they stayed together it'd have been you having rapidly aging mutant Goblin babies and getting dropped off a brdige.

Date: 2010-01-17 08:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] xammax
1 - MJ has standards
2- Never happened, whatever crazy ass never happened thing your talking about
3 - MJ knows the Osborn gene is crazy; she dated Harry

Date: 2010-01-18 12:25 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
The funny thing, I think the Goblin/Gwen ship is supposed to have happened in between those panels above, after Gwen dumps Peter (way more time passes), and before she decides to forgive him.

Date: 2010-01-17 07:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] punishermax
As much as I disagree with essentially everyone here about Spider-Man and his relationships, I love Gwen. Maybe my favorite Spider girlfriend.

Date: 2010-01-17 07:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] punishermax
She's so....Sixties. In the best ways. She's like a fun, blond Veronica from Archie. Plus her going from hating the nerdy Peter Parker to liking him is pretty sweet in the comics.

I know it's a huge comics moment, and a fantastic issue but her death is one thing I would change in comics.

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Date: 2010-01-17 07:25 pm (UTC)
tifaeria: Pic of little Red Devil eating his graded paper. (Default)
From: [personal profile] tifaeria
Aw, this story is always one of my favorites, showcasing all three of those characters positively.

I always love Gwen. She's one of my top favorite characters in Spiderman.

Date: 2010-01-17 08:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] roxrox
Good story, but it just makes MJ look like a total rebound. lol

re: Gwen versus Mary Jane

Date: 2010-01-17 08:14 pm (UTC)
hohaiyee: Tea that's yellow like butter within its cup, upon a maroon hued table, strewn with hot pink flowers shaped like stars (Default)
From: [personal profile] hohaiyee
I think it's important to remember that people always change. Peter and Gwen back then was perfect for each other, but Peter today is more matched with Mary Jane. If Gwen didn't die, then Mary Jane would have changed in a different way and found a person other than Peter.

Date: 2010-01-17 09:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] skalja
Yeah, the way it actually happened was much less so -- MJ was his first serious girlfriend after Gwen died, but two years later. Then they broke up, Peter dated a few other people -- including Deb Whitman and Felicia Hardy -- and finally got back together with MJ for good more than a hundred issues after Gwen died.

Date: 2010-01-17 08:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] unicornicopia
I kind of desperately want a story focusing solely on Gwen. Like an AU one-shot where she lives, but eventually grew apart from Peter or never knew him at all. I think that Gwen kind of gets stuck in the box of being "The Girlfriend that Died" and that's a shame.

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Date: 2010-01-17 08:17 pm (UTC)
hohaiyee: Tea that's yellow like butter within its cup, upon a maroon hued table, strewn with hot pink flowers shaped like stars (Default)
From: [personal profile] hohaiyee
Hey, "No one stays dead except Bucky, [DC Comics'] Jason Todd and [Spider-Man's] Uncle Ben", and Jason and Bucky is already back!!!

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Date: 2010-01-18 12:31 am (UTC)
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I always wanted to see an AU where she became the next Capt. Stacy.

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Date: 2010-01-17 08:44 pm (UTC)
cleome45: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cleome45
"I hope we'd be friends for life!"

Shouldn't this have launched about twenty-two thousand OT3 fics?

Crap. I really have been here too long, haven't I? :o

Date: 2010-01-18 12:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lamashtar
One of us....one of us.....

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Date: 2010-01-17 09:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sailorlibra
Personally, I think MJ shows a lot more depth here than Gwen. But I don't really know much about Gwen and one-dimensionity could just be because this is through MJ's perspective and MJ thought of Gwen as just being kind and unselfish. I dunno. What I do know is that I love me some Mary Jane and would love to see more of her.

Date: 2010-01-17 10:02 pm (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: gwen eyebrow)
From: [personal profile] skalja
This story suffers a lot from "Saint Gwen" syndrome, and while she was alive, Gwen herself suffered from "Silver Age female" syndrome. In my opinion, post-death Gwen writers tend to ignore most of the things that actually made her interesting, like her interest in science and politics or her temper. Even the stuff they do keep around, like how she got along with pretty much everybody, they make kinda boring.

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Date: 2010-01-17 11:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] galateus
Present-day MJ's hair and facial expressions are ridiculously over-the-top soap-opera/romance-comic-y. It's amazing.

Date: 2010-01-18 01:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
This story is so sweet (and DeFalco's art is gorgeous). I know Stan Lee can be corny at times, but it's a good corny (I'd rather read his Spidey newstrips than BND).

It's also sad that the last few years have taken everything about this story and this version of Gwen, MJ and Peter and turned it on its head. Instead we have a Gwen Stacy who while putting off the supposed love of her life Peter physically (did he even get to 2nd base with her?), would have a one-night-stand with old-enough-to-her-father creepy Norman Osborn, have his kids and Europe and never tell Pete (and her famous death becomes all about that rather than the tragedy of her being in the wrong place), we have a MJ who knew all about Gwen's secret and never told her husband and an MJ who can literally state "I wouldn't trade our marriage for anything in the world" do just that (along with Peter) so Aunt May can live 2-3 more years and she can go to Hollywood and be involved with a dumb selfish steroided up actor and Peter can go to being a 20-something slacker with no direction in his life involved in some kind of harem comedy hijinks right out of Japanese manga.

Jeesh, it's like this Spidey-verse and the present Spidey-verse have NO connection whatsoever even in characterization (continuity changing is one thing, but characters should at least be written consistently from decade to decade).

Date: 2010-01-18 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com
John Romita's art, which is why MJ and Gwen look so good. His art defined them.

I'm with you on the newspaper strips vs. the current Spider-Man books. As far as I'm concerned, since Stan Lee created Spider-Man, whatever he writes about the character is canon. If something contradicts his Spider-Man, it's fan fiction. That means the newspaper strip is the real Spider-Man.

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Date: 2010-01-18 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com
MJ is calling Peter "man o'mine?" Does "talking (Peter's) language" include an unspoken offer to wear a blonde wig and a black headband later that night?

Date: 2010-01-18 03:13 am (UTC)
wolfy: (michiko is a straight up badass)
From: [personal profile] wolfy
Exclamation points!

Date: 2010-01-18 10:35 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Too many! All over the place! For no reason!

I suppose it's Lee's version of Kirby's problem "with" quotation "marks."

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