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 So I spotted these reference images on Joe's blog and Newsarama released the finish piece today.

If you've noticed that everyone seems to have the same fugly face it's because they've all become Joe Quesada.

First there is Cap and Thor. He didn't post his reference pic for the Sentry because I suspect it was taken whilst stalking Bendis for surprise butt sex.

Arms of play-doh.

Here is Iron Man and Norman.

Date: 2010-01-18 06:03 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
*laughs hysterically*

Date: 2010-01-18 06:12 pm (UTC)
xammax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] xammax
So Pete isn't the one to bring Norman down.

Foul ball.

Date: 2010-01-18 06:31 pm (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
I wouldn't trust Spider-Man to take down a house of cards at this point.

Date: 2010-01-18 06:43 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
It would be kind of cathartic, wouldn't it, if they had him beat up Quesada!Norman. Two worst enemies in one decisive strike.

Date: 2010-01-18 06:32 pm (UTC)
stubbleupdate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
Yeah, I don't think that those are fat Play-doh arms.

Date: 2010-01-18 06:42 pm (UTC)
stubbleupdate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
Apart from that there's clearly some muscle definition when he's holding his Mjolnir.

He looks like a guy who's bulked up through working out, not by eating doughnuts

Date: 2010-01-18 07:22 pm (UTC)
khamelea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] khamelea
I think it's a question of unrealistic expectations regarding natural muscle mass.

Date: 2010-01-18 07:51 pm (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
He looks like a guy who has some muscle, but the natural aging process has added some fat on top of it. I have 40/50 year old relatives who still bust their ass in jobs and they look like that. Strong as hell but a little flabby.

Date: 2010-01-18 06:34 pm (UTC)
selke: (Default)
From: [personal profile] selke
Damn it, I don't want to give him credit for not pulling a Land.

Date: 2010-01-21 03:28 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Just because he's a decent artist doesn't mean he's not special as an editor-in-chief.

Date: 2010-01-18 06:52 pm (UTC)
gl_lg: (Default)
From: [personal profile] gl_lg
Norman: OMFG!! Is that a zit on my forehead?!

You go, Joey, coco

Date: 2010-01-18 07:13 pm (UTC)
jazzypom: (IM2 Tony Stark)
From: [personal profile] jazzypom
Unlike Land, and Larroca, at least Joe Quesada can draw. I remember his pencils on Daredevil (either for covers or a short stint) and bully for him for actually looking in the mirror and making poses instead of tracing over stock poses.

There are many things to get on Joey Q for, but this ain't one of 'em.

Re: You go, Joey, coco

Date: 2010-01-18 10:29 pm (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Larocca can draw. Remember his X-Men or X-Treme X-Men work? Hell even his Fantastic Four work.

Re: You go, Joey, coco

Date: 2010-01-19 07:20 am (UTC)
jazzypom: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jazzypom
Heh, that's all the past, now. You're only as good as your last bit of work, and Larroca's stuff has been crap for a very long time.

Re: You go, Joey, coco

Date: 2010-01-20 09:17 am (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Wouldn't know, as far as I'm concerned he hasn't worked since Milligans run, really.

Date: 2010-01-19 01:37 am (UTC)
box_in_the_box: (Default)
From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
Except that Alex Ross, who uses this same technique, at least bothers to use models other than himself for the poses and the facial expressions, which is an important thing to do if you're an artist who, like Quesada, suffers from a chronic case of SameFace in his art. As it stands, it's really hard not to see this and come to the conclusion that Quesada has now LITERALLY turned the entire Marvel Universe into a self-insert fanfic.

Date: 2010-01-18 07:27 pm (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig
I wondered why he kept Greg Land employed.

Date: 2010-01-18 07:38 pm (UTC)
aaron_bourque: default (Default)
From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
. . .

That would imply that Greg Land is the "model" for all the sameface he pulls.

The porno sameface.

Of women.


Date: 2010-01-18 08:36 pm (UTC)
joasakura: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joasakura

Date: 2010-01-18 07:39 pm (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
Uh. No.

Quesada may use photoreferences, but bothers to add details and definition that aren't in the original.

Land can't be bothered to do so.

Date: 2010-01-18 09:15 pm (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig
...So, like, there's a bunch of porn models who dress up as Invisible Girl and Black Widow?

Date: 2010-01-18 09:26 pm (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
Most of Land's female are wearing spandex suits. So, probably. :P

Date: 2010-01-18 10:40 pm (UTC)
aaron_bourque: default (Default)
From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
No. Land STEALS PHOTOS from porn. He can't be bothered to hire models, either.

Date: 2010-01-18 07:38 pm (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
Cap and Thor look way too similar. I dunno.

Also, Norman looks... -odd-. He doesn't look scared, he looks like he's saying "Duuuuuuuuuh."

Date: 2010-01-18 07:43 pm (UTC)
sianmink: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sianmink
I don't see anything too terrible about this..

except that Sentry's cape is totally pulling a Batman or a Spawn here. What the hell?

Date: 2010-01-18 09:01 pm (UTC)
liara_shadowsong: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liara_shadowsong
Pretty decent art, here, though I'm less than fond of the fact that Cap and Thor seem to be drawn with very similar facial features arranged into relatively unique expressions. I really appreciate that photo references are being used here, while not being purely for tracing; it makes for realistic-looking hands. Norman's face is sort of funny-looking, though.

Date: 2010-01-18 09:03 pm (UTC)
ian_karkull: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ian_karkull
Having people pose for photo reference is a pretty common practice. Tony Harris and Alex Ross work exclusively like this.

I actually think it's kind of cute that Marvel's EiC runs around posing like a super-hero. Shame that his art is so.. well, you know.

Date: 2010-01-19 01:48 am (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: firestar loves spidey)
From: [personal profile] skalja
Stuart Immonen and Pete Woods use reference as well to the best of my knowledge, but it's not as obvious because their art is more stylized (especially Immonen's).

Date: 2010-01-20 12:10 am (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (marvel: black cat squares)
From: [personal profile] skalja

Looks like he changed the expression a bit.

Date: 2010-01-21 03:32 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Yeah, kinda goes from "I've a spot on my shirt" to "Delightful! A hole in my chest!"

Date: 2010-01-18 11:15 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Default)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
I'm not making a personal attack, because I think Quesada's a perfectly normal looking guy, but the faces in the art are fugly. Thor's not awful, and I guess Sentry's meant to look weird, but Cap? D:

And that hideous gnarled hand of Thor's.

Date: 2010-01-19 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
I do like the idea of Quesada as Norman. Just sayin'.

Date: 2010-01-19 03:27 am (UTC)
ext_289436: wwizard (Default)
From: [identity profile]
Norman's face reflected off of Iron Man is the funniest thing I've seen all day.

No wait. Quesada posing for Norman is the funniest thing I've seen all day.


Date: 2010-01-19 03:46 am (UTC)
autumn_lily: jason todd (Default)
From: [personal profile] autumn_lily
Gaah! ::falls out chair::

Date: 2010-01-19 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
He's one of the best artists in the biz - have some respect.

(also, while I have you, I don't seem to able to post posts after signing in to Dreamwidth using my OpenID - is this normal? Is this correct? I have to pay to join Dreamwidth if I want to do some more of my "Liefeld Mega Posts"?

Date: 2010-01-21 03:37 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
If you don't have a Dreamwidth account, you can use your OpenID identity from another site to subscribe to journals, use a Reading Page, and receive access to protected content in journals. You can also leave comments on others' entries, but you can't post entries of your own or join communities.

You can get a free account like most of us did, just check the information to see where the invites were being given out.

Date: 2010-01-21 06:17 pm (UTC)
sir_mikael: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sir_mikael
So Norman is pointing at Iron Man and shrieking of terror, is that it? Cus the pointing thing... is weird.


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