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This is interesting.

It is, to my recollection -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- one of the few times (if not the only time) the Joker has appeared to utter some kind of semblance of remorse.

I'm not sure how I feel about this yet...





It's a play on her Mad Love origins, obviously. But unlike the note she receives from the Joker at the end of Mad Love (which was just "Feel better soon," this one has some "remorse" to it. There's manipulation, obviously, of course he wants her to come back.

But if the Joker can exhibit some form of remorse, would that not make him... more sane?

It might just be a throw-away scene, but I thought it was interesting.

Suggested tags: Poison Ivy/Pamela Isley, Harley Quinn/Harleen Quinzel, the Joker, Title: Gotham City Sirens, creator: Guillem March

Date: 2010-01-28 02:56 am (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax
It's probably just him being a dickhead. Like he meant "I'm sorry.....I DIDN'T HIT YOU HARDER!"

Date: 2010-01-28 03:18 am (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
I don't think it's remorse or dickishness, but manipulation. Mr. J knows what just to say to keep Harley coming back for more.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:29 am (UTC)
thanekos: Kouhei " Principal Garren " Hayami, the Libra Zodiarts, is bugged. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
" Stop.. stop... stop me if you've heard this one.. "

Date: 2010-01-28 03:00 am (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
I like the idea that the Joker, like Solomon Grundy, always keeps coming back with different personalities. For instance, all clues point to the next Morrison bringing back Mr. J as completely different than the tongue-splitting guy in R.I.P.

But yeah, back to the issue, I actually think that even if she (Pam) realizes it or not Harley's love for her (or whatever it is) is the only thing that keeps her somewhat human. I mean, take away Harley and there's no way Selina and Ivy are staying civil, let alone living together.

Date: 2010-01-28 06:29 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Robin Joker Another day....)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
For instance, all clues point to the next Morrison bringing back Mr. J as completely different than the tongue-splitting guy in R.I.P.

Out of curiosity, what evidence?

Date: 2010-01-28 07:03 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Morrison's own words. He basically said that (in order to justify Morrison's own view that all Bat stories are in continuity in some way and thus can explain why the Joker was less violent in the Adam West 60s comics) that the Joker doesn't have one set persona and that next time he (Morrison) writes he won't necessarily be the same as he wrote him in R.I.P. (I'm placing bets Mistah J is really Obreron Sexton myself).

Date: 2010-01-28 03:01 am (UTC)
suzene: (Default)
From: [personal profile] suzene
Ugh. The fact that one of the more popular female characters in DC's stable had slavish devotion to an abusive lover as her defining characteristic always squicked me a bit. The further they take her from that, the better I like her.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:05 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Yea, I'm pretty much the same. Harley and Ivy work so much better than Harley and Joker.

As an origin, sure, but she's evolved enough that she should be stand-alone or with a full partner, not as a side kick.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
part of what makes her popular is people keep hoping she'll get a clue and get away. And the instability of both of them make it easier to keep it from seeming like a normal abusive relationship.

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
He's the Joker. There's really only so many places relationships with his supporting cast can go, and none of them are happy-fun-time.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:56 am (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
Harley wouldn't be so popular without the insane abusive relationship. That's where she came from.

Date: 2010-01-28 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
To be fair, though, the page is from a flashback, and she's pretty much been splits with Joker since Morrison's text issue of Batman where he tried to kill her.

Date: 2010-01-28 06:30 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The squick is the point, it's a deliriously warped relationship on both sides.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:25 am (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
Remorse or emotional manipulation?

Date: 2010-01-28 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
he's sorry... that Harley missed this really great gag cause she always really appeciated his work.

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:51 am (UTC)
yaseen101: (Default)
From: [personal profile] yaseen101
Dini once remarked in a DCAU commentary that the DCAU Joker may feel something for Harley in that tiny nutshell of a heart he has. I may have to hunt down that video again, I re-watched it recently so it's still on Youtube.

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Date: 2010-01-28 04:25 pm (UTC)
rdfox: Joker asking Tim Drake, "'Sup?" from Paul Dini's "Slay Ride" (Default)
From: [personal profile] rdfox
He also said, in the same commentary, that Harley does the one thing that most angers Joker--she reminds him he does still have a few human emotions.

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Date: 2010-01-28 06:31 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Look at his reaction to the Creeper making a move on Harl in BTAS, but it's not love so much as possessiveness.

I don't see anything remotely remorseful about the letter here, it's pure manipulation.

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Date: 2010-01-28 05:07 am (UTC)
retro_nouveau: AARP Bruce (40)
From: [personal profile] retro_nouveau
I would say that the Joker messed with Harley's head, and Harley messed with the Joker's heart. He's not more sane because of it, it's just that his thought processes are even more complicated now that Harley has stirred things up.

Date: 2010-01-28 05:47 pm (UTC)
jarodrussell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jarodrussell
Did Ivy just get jacked?

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