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This is interesting.

It is, to my recollection -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- one of the few times (if not the only time) the Joker has appeared to utter some kind of semblance of remorse.

I'm not sure how I feel about this yet...





It's a play on her Mad Love origins, obviously. But unlike the note she receives from the Joker at the end of Mad Love (which was just "Feel better soon," this one has some "remorse" to it. There's manipulation, obviously, of course he wants her to come back.

But if the Joker can exhibit some form of remorse, would that not make him... more sane?

It might just be a throw-away scene, but I thought it was interesting.

Suggested tags: Poison Ivy/Pamela Isley, Harley Quinn/Harleen Quinzel, the Joker, Title: Gotham City Sirens, creator: Guillem March

Date: 2010-01-28 03:25 am (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
Remorse or emotional manipulation?

Date: 2010-01-28 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
he's sorry... that Harley missed this really great gag cause she always really appeciated his work.

Date: 2010-01-28 01:29 pm (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
It depends on whether they're psychopathic or sociopathic and I'm of the opinion the joker is more the former than the latter. I do believe he designs his own personalities and they evolve beyond any control constraints, so some genuine emotion could possibly leak through in that case, but I don't think this is one of those times.

Date: 2010-01-28 01:42 pm (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
I could be wrong, as it's more my own observations, but psychopathic tends to be more of the sadistic kind. They get off on the reactions. Sociopathic tends to be purely cold and calculating, with only their goals in sight. While I agree the Joker could very well be both, I do think there's a strong possibility he's one masquerading as the other.

Date: 2010-01-28 02:25 pm (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
From my POV, he does it to get a reaction. It's not fun if they don't react, hence a fixation on Batman who is stoic unless you really push the buttons (like shooting Babs, killing his son, killing a childhood friend) and then he can sit back and watch him react, which is something he rarely does.

Date: 2010-01-28 02:52 pm (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
Of course. He's nothing if not narcissistic. Harley has become an extension of him, a part I believe to his horror, he does give a damn about and he really, really hates that. So he screws with her but can't cut her loose, because she's too much a part of his persona (or personas if you believe Morrison) and it wouldn't work otherwise. Besides, lifes only a stage if you have someone in the audience who'll laugh at the right moments to assauge any fears you may have that it's not a good performance.

You know, I'll give you credit. I don't think I've had as many indepth discussions on characters over the last little while than I have with you. It's very enjoyable.

Date: 2010-01-28 05:43 pm (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
LOL! Oh lordy. I've been doing much the same thing. I went through Under the Hood and Teen Titans recently, I'm planning to go through his Green Arrow as well, but I do want to do a detailed go through of all of Batman and Robin, because I've got quite a few theories on the whole thing.

Oh, you're on LJ too? *friends* I'll definitely take a look!

Date: 2010-01-28 09:59 pm (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
Sadly, the full whack isn't posted yet. I got distracted by fanrage and did a "In defense of Jason Todd" thing instead.

Date: 2010-01-28 10:14 pm (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
I think he was characterised perfectly well. If you'd said you liked Tony Daniel Jason, I'd have found you blasphemous.

Date: 2010-01-28 10:19 pm (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
As far as I'm concerned, Morrison, Johns and Winick are my Jason stand bys. With the exception of the bizarre look, he sounds like Jason so I can live with it.

Date: 2010-01-29 01:33 am (UTC)
lipsofpoison: batman: under the hood v2- by whitetomb@lj (Default)
From: [personal profile] lipsofpoison
That's what leads me to scepticism that it is Jason, as we know Morrison can do it.

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