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arbre_rieur ([personal profile] arbre_rieur) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2010-02-09 12:46

The resurrection of Jean Grey: The original version



As some might know, when Jim Shooter was editor-in-chief of Marvel, he had an edict in place preventing Jean Grey from being brought back to life. This was because he felt that anyone who killed as many people as Dark Phoenix needed to either be killed off or suffer for eternity. (If Claremont or Byrne had their druthers, she would have remained alive at the end of the Phoenix Saga, which was their original plan.)

Kurt Busiek, back when he was just a fan, was the one who came up with how to revive Jean Grey without violating Shooter's edict. That's why there's a thank you to him in the credits of the comic in which she comes back.

Recently, Busiek posted on his blog his original notes detailing the whole of his story idea. Providing context, he explains, "Sometime between then and May 1982, when I graduated college and sold my first script, I started taking notes for various Marvel series I hoped to write someday, to make sure I didn't forget any of my 'great ideas,' few of which were great, or even memorable."






Further background info on the document can be found at his blog.

creator: kurt busiek, group: x-men, publisher: marvel comics
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[personal profile] yaseen101 2010-02-09 21:05 (UTC)(link)
You know, it's kind of funny really. In the modern days of the internet and everything, if someone sends a script outline and whatnot to a major comic book company it would be considered fanfiction, tossed into a rubbish bin with a whisper of 'those crazy fans'.
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[personal profile] aaron_bourque 2010-02-09 23:56 (UTC)(link)
Well, if I recall correctly a)Kurt Busiek was a well-known fan personality at the time and b)he originally made the pitch at a convention to whoever the heck was writing FF back then. Simonson, I think? Or maybe an editor, and then when they were looking to bring Jean Grey back for the X-Factor series, someone said, "Hey, howabout this?" and someone else said "Hey, that's a good idea. How'd you think of that?" and the first somebody went "Well, to tell you the truth, a fan gave it to me," and then Jim Shooter said "Have him type it up formally!!!"

Still not something that could happen today . . .
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[personal profile] tavella 2010-02-09 22:15 (UTC)(link)
I have to say, I'm quite glad the "it wasn't really Jean" thing has been mostly completely ignored in the years since. Talk about undermining a great, classic story with a crappy idea.
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[personal profile] sir_mikael 2010-02-10 23:11 (UTC)(link)
Though I agree, I think it can be handled in a good way. Phoenix was for all intents and purposes Jean.
There's a great line spoken by Emma Frost in her part of Dark Reign: The Cabal written by Matt Fraction.
"The Phoenix was Jean; Jean wasn't the Phoenix. There's a difference."
It acknowledges that Phoenix's actions were those Jean would have taken in that situation, but she didn't as it wasn't her.
Bit convoluted but it works, I think.
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[personal profile] chipsnopotatoes 2010-02-09 23:59 (UTC)(link)
"As some might know, when Jim Shooter was editor-in-chief of Marvel, he had an edict in place preventing Jean Grey from being brought back to life. This was because he felt that anyone who killed as many people as Dark Phoenix needed to either be killed off or suffer for eternity."

Isn't this rather absurd for Jim to think that way? Wasnt he the one who greenlighted the story of her eating planets and all?

Besides, no sense in being named Phoenix if you don't keep rising from the ashes, no?

[personal profile] jlbarnett 2010-02-10 02:18 (UTC)(link)
supposedly Byrne threw in her frying the planet of the Broccoli for arts sake. He's the guy who wanted Wolverine to kill after all, I think he just considered more deaths as better drama. "So she blows up a star? Cool. I know, I'll toss in a panel to show there's an inhabited planet there."

And once that was done Shooter decided she had to stay dead, as though the characters were real people.
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[personal profile] cleome45 2010-02-10 00:26 (UTC)(link)
Bleah.

[personal profile] psychopathicus_rex 2010-02-10 05:27 (UTC)(link)
That actually could have made for an interesting story - the whole 'Light/Dark Phoenix' thing is somewhat cliche, but having DP be essentially a figment of Jean's unconscious mind would have cranked her power levels way, way up, and would have made the character a true force to be reckoned with. Also, I like the bit with Wolvie - it's all too seldom that he's confronted with the fact that, y'know, these are actual PEOPLE that he's slicing to pieces here.