In other Thunderbolts-related news...

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Some news about the next arc of Ed Brubaker's Captain America, starting with #606.


The full article with artist Butch Guice, who'll be drawing it:



Now that the whole Red Skull arc is over for now, it's cool to see different, shorter stories with other parts of Captain America's rogues gallery (which has always been extremely Red Skull-centred). I know Brubaker has said he's wanted to use Baron Zemo for years now.


title: captain america, creator: butch guice, publisher: marvel comics, char: baron zemo/helmut zemo, char: captain america/bucky barnes

Comments

[From: kainnived.livejournal.com]

So Bucky gets to resolve some of those "guy who killed me" issues, even if its a different Baron Zemo. Look forward to it.

[From: outlawpoet]

Has Zemo been anywhere since his mini?

Also I thought he was supposed to be a good guy now, having attempted to save the world during the last Thunderbolts thing against the Grandmaster, and then during his Born Better family history lesson.

[From: colonel_green]

We haven't seen him since Born Better back in 2007.

That left him seemingly not wanting to be a villain anymore, so we'll see where this takes him (if any writer can appreciate some greyness in people's motivations, it's Brubaker).

[From: mugiwara]

I don't think so.
(Cap America is officially over for me.)
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/brubaker-captain-americ-heroic-100209.html

Nrama: But Zemo is a full-fledged villain in this, right?

Brubaker: Definitely. One of the things that I think is nice about the Heroic Age is that we have this idea of hero and villain. Because over the years we've taken a lot of the cooler villains and, because people like them so much, they sort of make them into good guys. Like, for a while, it looked like Sabretooth was maybe going to be a good guy. And I was like, "No! Not Sabretooth!" But Juggernaut was one of the coolest villains of all time, and for a while he was a good guy! I mean, seriously? Juggernaut's going to be a good guy?

So my mission for this story is I want Zemo to be a really bad guy again. I want Zemo to be one of the best villain bad guys that I can turn him into while still finding a way to make that organically work with his whole history.

[From: yaseen101]

Hoo Boy, I sense that Red Lantern Ring coming for me again.

[From: autolychus2]

Yes, Juggernaut could never be a hero -- his costume is brown.

Brown costumes do not heroes make. I know they tried it with Wolvy once or twice, but it never took.

Obviously, I'm not being serious here, but what other reasons could there be that Juggy couldn't reform?

Sorry, but it seriously bugs me when someone -- even someone as talented as Brubaker -- comes in and makes a blanket statement about a character that ignores years of character growth under other writers.

[From: akodo_rokku]

Well he also said he wants it to organically work with his whole history.

Zemo has never been an out and out hero. Even when he was a "good guy" he was frequently doing things the other good guys didn't approve of because he thought he knew better. I can absolutely see him as a villain with the best intentions. An anti-villain.

[From: hybrid2]

Except he said he would be a full-fledged villain.

[From: akodo_rokku]

An anti-villain is still a villain.

[From: yaseen101]

It's one of the down-sides of working on an ongoing book with several creative teams. Other creative teams will come in and bulldoze down all the work you've put into a character, I'd imagine it's one of the worst things you have to deal with as a creator.

[From: autolychus2]

I get that. And I even understand why the new teams do it: These characters were great villains for a reason.

Of course, at the same time that Bru is saying this, Juggy is going to be in Thunderbolts. So ...

[From: flidgetjerome.livejournal.com]

Brubaker seems to balance out being really good at writing anti-heroes by being not so good at writing anti-villains. I generally love his Cap run but having Doom in there working with the Red Skull makes my brain do that record-skipping-noise thing.

[From: starwolf_oakley]

People can bitch and moan about Chuck Austen all they want, but I did genuinely like the idea of Juggernaut becoming a good guy, since he was never really *that* "bad" a bad guy. Fabian Nicieza did a lot of make Cain Marko a multidimensional character, and more writers should try to expand on that.

[From: elsewhere7.livejournal.com]

Nicieza did a lot to gave a lot of characters multiple dimensions...which subsequent writers promptly stepped on.

Now I want to see the X-Force 90s issue Fabian wrote about Jimmy and Terry dealing with Tom and Cain...

[From: flint_marko]

I agree; that part of Austen's run was really good. It was the stuff like what he did to Nightcrawler that sucked.

[From: arilou_skiff]

Brown? Isn't Cain's costume usually red?

[From: hybrid2]

So years of characterization trown out the window because we did'nt see him in a long time?
Or,from the interview,he change his mind a lot....

[From: colonel_green]

Eh, also a legitimate approach (interesting how he interprets the "Heroic Age" as going that far, too). Cap's got so few truly good villains.

[From: daningram.insanejournal.com]

"Brubaker: Definitely. One of the things that I think is nice about the Heroic Age is that we have this idea of hero and villain. Because over the years we've taken a lot of the cooler villains and, because people like them so much, they sort of make them into good guys. Like, for a while, it looked like Sabretooth was maybe going to be a good guy. And I was like, "No! Not Sabretooth!" But Juggernaut was one of the coolest villains of all time, and for a while he was a good guy! I mean, seriously? Juggernaut's going to be a good guy?"

This from the guy who took the bad ass Black Taranchula and turned him into DD's sidekick.

[From: flint_marko]

Also, Sabretooth was never a good guy.

Huh?

[From: roguefankc]

So, in other words, in this Heroic Age, there will be no more "gray" characters?

Granted, I'm sick of Dark Reign, but at the very least, some of the villains not being complete buttwipes like Osborne or Moonstone was a good thing. So what's the point of giving Zemo all the reflection in Born Better only to make him revert back to type again?

[From: jlroberson]

I love Guice but, no Epting? Bleh. I'll like it but I won't like it.

I wish that made sense.

Well..

[From: steverodgers5]

Regardless of how the story goes, that's one heck of a cool ass cover!
Best I've seen in a long while..

[From: mullon]

I don't care how detailed and interesting they try to make Baron Zemo, everytime I see him I will always hear X the Eliminator's voice in my head.

[From: euthanatos]

*faints*

[From: proteus_lives]

Cool cover.

Curb-stomp 'em Bucky!

[From: autumn_lily]

A full purple suit with white feather/fur colaar AND a gold tiara (type thing?)

Forget Baron Zemo, he's BARON FABULOUS!!!