Three Contributions

[mcity]

First, the latest member of the Red Lantern Corps.

from Champ

Then a reaction to recent, spoilery developments in Blackest Night.


And finally, a legality scan.



series:foxtrot
char:sinestro
event:blackest night
(fanart tag)

Comments

[selke]

I love Foxtrot. <3

[crinos]

I always pictured the Daleks as Sinestro corps myself. Even gave them their own Oath.

"Daleks are the race supreme!
Your race will die with anguished screams!
Your end is near, accept your fate,
Sinestro corps: EXTERMINATE!"

[leikomgwtfbbq]

That's brilliant!

I'd love to see something like that on Doctor Who proper. XD

[darkknightjrk]

Strut your stuff, Sinestro. Let your haters be your motivators. :D

[freezer]

I've always wondered: Does Andy actually like the taste of her own cooking or is she so determined to cook "healthy" that she chokes it down just so the rest of the family won't have an excuse not to?

I guess the secondary question is: does she have a lima bean fetish?

[darkblade]

You know ten years ago things wouldn't have been as easily explained as being a "fetish".

[cleome45]

I just want to know why the rest of the family doesn't learn to cook. What a bunch of self-centered whiners.

[mcity]

They've tried. It usually doesn't end well. And Andy can cook decent food when she wants to, hence the questions here.

[cleome45]

Tch. Anyone too helpless to grasp the cooking of hot dogs or spaghetti deserves to spend the rest of their lives in Legume Casserole Hell.

Honestly, all this retrograde John Gray Mars-Venus "humor" is why I skip over 90% of the newspaper "funnies." Well, that and the painfully mediocre drawings.

[mcity]

Here, you dropped your monocle and top hat.

[cleome45]

[shrug] Hey, you're welcome to call the stuff I like mediocre and retrograde, too. Difference of opinion isn't the end of the world, is it?

[mcity]

Andy can cook decent food when she wants to, hence the questions here.

[freezer]

So she's what TV Tropes would call a Cordon Bleugh Chef, then?

[mcity]

Arguably, yeah.

[redstar]

I never questioned it- when I was in elementary school and also really liked Foxtrot, my parents were continually deciding that what we really needed for dinner tonight was some sort of bizarre vegetarian dish that always, to me, smelled like death and tasted worse. They never understood what I was complaining about. Clearly, kid!me figured, something happened to some grown-ups (Andy, my parents), that made them incapable of noticing when food was totally gross. Who knew why, it was just one of those things.

[zordboy]

Oh I hate Daleks. Not because they're so scary and terrifying but because everyone *thinks* they're so scary and terrifying... and they're not. Giving them Red Lantern rings is a little better, but still.

[sinisterlink]

I don't know much about them, since I've never really been into Dr Who, but I like them just for the fact that they look like giant salt/pepper shakers and roll around wanting to kill everything. Plus I've had some interesting conversations with my mom because of them. Like the first time she saw the trailer for the Iron Man movie and at the end they do the Black Sabbath song part where it says, "I am Iron Man" in that distorted/electronic type voice, my mom was like, "He sounds like a Dalek." Lawl.

[zordboy]

Oh I think conceptually they're interesting, as you said. It's very rare to find a hero who's main archnemesis is a genocidal salt and pepper shaker. They win me there. It's the, "Oh noes they're so terrifying!" press (which is pretty constant) they get. 'Cause... <_< ...they're not.

[stig]

Oh yes they bloody are. You might be of the newer generation of substance-less horror, but the Daleks are among the very very few alien monsters created in popular fiction that aren't based on humans or Earth creatures, alongside Carpenter's Thing; they have no faces, hands, legs or discernible emotions. Familiarity encourages empathy; you can't empathise with a Dalek because you and it are utterly different.

I suppose it's not your fault, really; your biggest exposure to Daleks has been from their lacklustre appearances in the new series. Apart from the poorly-named 'Dalek', the RTD writing team approached the main villains the same way they did every other aspect: in the manner of a toddler on a sugar rush. You should have seen the subtle, oppressive terror employed in their first-ever appearance, or the Frankenstein-like emergence of their hatred before Davros in "Genesis of the Daleks". Back before Davies mucked everything up they were proper hide-behind-the-sofa fierce, not pushovers who could be wiped out entirely after every single adventure.

[crinos]

Ironically, it was the new series Daleks that got me interested in Doctor Who in the first place, more specifically their argument with the Cyberman in the season 2 finale.

"THIS IS NOT WAR! THIS IS PEST CONTROL!"

"WE WOULD DESTROY THE CYBERMEN WITH ONE DALEK!"

"YOU ARE SUPERIOR IN ONLY ONE RESPECT; YOU ARE BETTER AT DYING."

I just love everything about the Daleks. Probably my favorite race of evil aliens.

[stig]

Yes, okay, that bit was kinda cool. But then you get to them...spinning around a lot. And keeping Davros as a pet. Uh? Where's the strategy in humiliating and imprisoning your creator and one of your finest tacticians?

[crinos]

Well its not like they were ignoring him, they were taking his advice and instruction, and he was all too willing to help (Davros is so vain he'll support his own creations even when they're kicking his ass, simply because he's glad they're so awesome they surpassed him).

[zordboy]

Except, except... "Familiarity encourages empathy; you can't empathise with a Dalek because you and it are utterly different."

"You're odd" is entirely different to "you're terrifying". It's impossible to take them seriously, and I'm not talking about the last four or five years or whatever (although agreed that RTD needs to back away from the keyboard. Or at least seek immediate psychiatric help for his problems, 'cause evidently, the man has quite a few).

There is a not a single appearance where they haven't left me with the grand feeling, "meh". Oh no, the pepper pots want to kill everything, I'm trembling in my boots. Trembling, I tell you. They're just not scary. I mean, they're not, I don't know how else to rationalise that. And it's the constant press -- maybe it's the British way of storytelling, maybe it's a lack of budget or whatever, but the entire Whoverse seems built on telling rather than showing. The Doctor has press telling us he's great and wonderful and heroic, and up close and personal he's a wanker. The Daleks have press telling us how they're terrifying, and Jackie Tyler with a big gun can make one go "boom". Again, I'm shaking in my boots. And I think you're giving them far too much credit given the wealth of alien creatures running amok in fiction, at that.

[stig]

Yes, but most of those aliens are anthropomorphic and therefore carry a layer of familiarity.

[stig]

I will concede that Ten does feel a bit of a wanker mainly because, unlike previous versions, he isn't advertised as being so but as being a heroic children's figure. The old Doctors were mostly good-natured but clever bastards (except for Six, who was a complete bastard), and mostly proud of it.

[zordboy]

Yeah, Ten didn't impress me. I spent a lot of time wanting to smack him. I'm glad Donna did, a few times. At the very least she called him on his jerkiness on multiple occasions, and good on her -- but then of course, she got fridged. Yay.

I find that's the problem with Doctor Who. The show has *such* a fanbase, and has been around for *so* long, that not-enjoying the franchise (and finding the Daleks about as scary as wet cardboard) puts you in a tiny little minority.

And people -- a lot of people -- feel quite threatened when you really don't care for it. When I told my friends that, after watching the show I found it quite lacking, my geek-cred got shredded (as one of my friends put it*). And it does seem like, you're not an acceptable-sci-fi-nerd unless you know and love Doctor Who. My exposure was *mostly* Nine and Ten, and I'm gonna give Eleven a try, but no, it all really turns me off. Don't get me started on the technobabble, either.



* -- to be fair, that same week I'd (1) admitted to liking the movie version of "Twilight", (2) become a fan of Australian football and (3) attended a Britney Spears concert when she was in Australia. In my defence, (1) the movie was a damn side more entertaining than the books, (2) some of those players are hot, and (3) one of my best friends worked at the concert-place and was given some free tickets. Still.

[mcity]

>but then of course, she got fridged

As I recall, everyone was pissed about that. Rose gets sent to an alternate universe, eventually ending up with her very own Doctor, Martha eventually leaves, and gets married--to the only other prominent black guy in the Davies run--and Donna, who is pretty much the anti-Rose, gets her memories wiped, despite the presence of a device that sucks the Time Lord out of people which played a major part the previous season, and could doubtless be reconfigured with thirty seconds of Davies' Patented Dramatic Breathless Technobabble.
So, yeah. Issues.

>And people -- a lot of people -- feel quite threatened when you really don't care for it. When I told my friends that, after watching the show I found it quite lacking, my geek-cred got shredded (as one of my friends put it*)

http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html

[zordboy]

"So, yeah. Issues."

Oh hell yes. The Doctor can do anything, has a space-ship-time-ship that can do anything, has a sonic screwdriver that does whatever the plot requires it to do, can monologue in insane technobabble longer than anyone in human history -- but Donna still got screwed. And never mind the theme of the season was, "Look, despite her lack of confidence, Donna Noble really is brilliant and wonderful and brave and oh wait no she's not, never mind."

And there were so many easy ways to write Catherine Tate out of the show without doing *that* to her. So mad.

[stig]

I think the best reaction to ChavGirl's happily ever after was this wonderful DA entry by the lovely lady who does the covers for some of the Muppets comic book miniseries:


Bad Wolf Byebye by *mimi-na on deviantART

[stig]

I too have been the bearer of bad tidings against the new series, mostly because in his entire history on the show Davies wrote a single episode ('Gridlock') where the creativity was not swamped by the need for childishness and thirst to see blood spilled.

I can't stand chavvy old Rose Tyler, I don't like the new Cybermen compared with the classic ones, I'm appalled by the writer's ridiculous need to appeal to the kid's audience first for a sci-fi series originally intended for adults (imagine them remaking a series of Star Trek that way), so that the climax of many episodes seems like it's been written by a 8-year-old - "And then, erm, er, ALL THE DALEKS ARE DISAPPEARED FOREVVER AN' EVER!", "And then the Master dances around and puts the Doctor inna cage 'cos he's silly!", etc. - while simultaneously upping the body count to troubling levels. The last two episodes displayed graphic cannibalism as Christmas teatime entertainment. What?

Also, Simm's Master was rubbish. Give us a new direction, sure, even give us a Master who smiles a bit, but make sure he looks capable of tying his bloody shoelaces together.

[zordboy]

"...where the creativity was not swamped by the need for childishness and thirst to see blood spilled."

This.

Oh my lord, this.

That was really the deal-breaker, for me, on RTD's run. The sheer number of bodies that piled up around the Doctor while everyone else sung his praises. What is this, 90s comics? My picture of the Doctor is the guy who doesn't save people's lives, he just apologises for the fact that he won't. And if people weren't dying en masse, they're killing themselves in horrific and gory fashion -- because that's what he inspires in people. RTD seems to have this idea that the only way to be a good human is to be a dead one. And for me, it approached snuff films.

There's aliens in a school that the Doctor, Rose, Sarah-Jane and Mickey are investigating -- of course the teaching staff die grisly deaths. An entire ship of people are killed by a robot crew (where he goes back to France), the angels on the Titanic ship kill probably *thousands of people* , a guy gets torn apart by a werewolf, whenever the Cybermen are onscreen we get screaming victims having their brains ripped out of their bodies. Whenever a monster is on the loose, it has to have killed dozens before the Doctor stops it. The Doctor finds that the Daleks, stuck in the 1930s, have murdered thousands of people -- but it's okay because he manages to save the pig-face guy (he doesn't actually reverse the mutant-pig-process, just keeps the guy alive).

A chick throws herself out of an airlock and into the sun (!) in "42", which is where it just got funny. What, she couldn't have been getting mauled to death by a werewolf, having her brain ripped out of her body, getting her limbs hacked off, being electrocuted and lasered to death ALL AT THE SAME TIME? That wouldn't have been suitably dramatic?

("Midnight" was also pretty funny. Oh noes, it's wrong to throw someone out of the airlock! ... unless the Doctor's life is in danger, then it's fine)

Steven Moffatt's episodes seem to have the least body-counts, but even then -- in "Blink" (which I absolutely loved either way, but...), the Doctor's plan on stopping the weeping angels is contingent on leaving those two people (Sally's girl friend, and the black cop) trapped in the past. As opposed to figuring out a way to stop the angels and then using his fucking time machine to nip back and save them.

I mean, it's too much! I can't even think about "Waters of Mars", where the dilemma of the day is, "Should I actually bother to save these people, or just let them all die screaming?" And by the time he does get off his ass and do something, they're all dead anyway! Most of them. And of course, one of the survivors kills themselves in a horrific fashion because that's what the Doctor does to people.

And I'm sorry, I really am (and now I even sound like Ten) if any huge fans of the franchise are reading this and becoming offended at my criticism. But it's just too much. I want my heroes -- particularly the ones whose press is a pretty constant "He's so amazing and wonderful and awesome and heroic!" -- to actually save people, not wander around leaving nothing but carnage behind him.

And I know, that's not the Doctor's fault, it's this pathetic attitude of his creative team to crank up the body count higher and higher, and you know. I just can't deal with that. Like I said above, RTD needs to see a competent psychiatrist, because this constant need his characters display to commit suicide in gory fashion, I just absolutely hated it. I'm sorry. But I did.

I don't even remember which episodes display "Graphic cannibalism as teatime entertainment", because that's a lot of them. And it all just got too much for me.

I remember watching "Gridlock" and being *sure* the two kidnappers would die horrible deaths, only to be shocked when they actually lived. But never fear! An episode back, a living screaming teenage boy gets ripped to shreds by three alien witches. Hurray!

Fuck you RTD. Fuck. You.

I apologise to the Who-fans in the audience for this rant. But I stand by it.

[stig]

I stand by it too. You've masterfully summed up the problems I most object to in Ten's reign. ESPECIALLY the Waters of Mars: "Well, contrary to everything I've ever said before, I think I WILL change the course of history and save this heroic space captain...oh bugger she's killed herself, WHAT HAVE I DOOONE!?"

It's funny, because when I saw that season finale with Davros, we got to the point where they flashback to all the deaths that Ten has caused, and my family were all just nodding, going "Well, yes, Davros does have a pretty good point there". You'll notice there's also a casual bit of racism thrown about here and there - in that episode, Jackie "Most Insultingly Stupid Supporting Character Ever" Tyler gets to survive but the poor Muslim woman next to her is vaporized, and in the Titanic one the only survivor out of thousands is the first mate and the old rich white guy. Oh, and Kylie, now reprising her Moulin Rouge role as a sparkly fairy.

(How stupid was that episode, BTW? An entire starship full of human figures wearing human clothes, eating human food and served by robots in the shape of the human idea of an angel, and a walking red conker as the token weirdo, and we're supposed to react to them as alien tourists with no knowledge of Earth culture at all? Bloody lazy work on the FX department, I can tell you. Why not throw a couple of Ice Warriors in there?)

I was referring to The End Of Time in my cannibalism comment - and there, we were also given the nice spectacle of the Doctor acting as if he'll become a different person entirely when he regenerates (i.e., without the same memories) and thus whinging about it, then - unlike EVERY SINGLE OTHER regeneration, even the non-canon ones - halting his change from body to body by hours and hours so that the cast & writers can go on a saccharine trip down memory lane/ten years later. It didn't work at the end of The Deathly Hallows, and it didn't work then. Oh, and of course, in the finest tradition of last words (One: "This is not the end, my dear", Three: "Where there's life, there's hope", Four: "The moment has been prepared for")...we get "I don't wanna go".

Purely pathetic on their part. I do hope the new creative team resurrect the idea of the Doctor as an unapologetic bastard - the shot in the trailer of him bitterly firing a gun and bashing a Dalek with a hammer seems to support that notion.

[zordboy]

I hadn't noticed the racism points, but I think you're right. To be fair, wasn't there another survivor that followed the Doctor on the Titanic? The *second* old rich white guy? >_< And even Kylie had to commit suicide at some point. Gah! It took me years before I would let myself watch that special, and when I finally did, I saw that I'd guessed right, it *was* horrible.

And for all his bullshit -- and I think omnicidal maniacs are generally full of bullshit -- I agree with your family. Davros kind of had a valid point there. Even the Doctor acknowledged that in "The End of Time" with Wilfred -- "I don't kill. I got clever, and manipulated other people into killing themselves". And that's true. And just a little deplorable. But it's hard to be mad at him specifically when it seems to be the entire theme of the show.

[skalja]

I'm appalled by the writer's ridiculous need to appeal to the kid's audience first for a sci-fi series originally intended for adults

This is untrue. BBC's online archive of Doctor Who concept documents make it very clear that the show was carefully designed to appeal to as broad a swathe of the population as possible. Long prior to the 2005 revival DW had long-standing cachet as a children's show that adults could watch with their kids and which kids found pleasingly terrifying.

That said, I am sick to death of Russell T. Davies, but wanting Doctor Who to appeal to children is not one of his flaws.

[mcity]

>Or at least seek immediate psychiatric help for his problems, 'cause evidently, the man has quite a few).

What do you think of Torchwood? I either get people raving about it, or deriding it as gussied up Doctor Who fanfic.

[zordboy]

I seem to be one of the only people on planet Earth who doesn't find John Barrowman sex on legs. Possibly it's a pheromone thing? That, plus the fact I only dipped my toes into the Who-franchise because of all my friends, I never really had any interest in checking out "Torchwood" at all. So I didn't. Even Spike showing up didn't pique my interest one bit.

I *did* watch "Children of Earth".

*BIG* mistake.

But if I type out the list of reasons *why* I thought CoE wasn't brilliant, I'm likely to offend the people who enjoyed it.

[mcity]

I'm starting to wonder how many people like Harkness as a character, and not for being a lot like every smut fanfic fantasy ever. He likes girls! (Yay, I can imagine him with me, the fangirl!) He likes boys! (Yay, slash!) He likes interdimensional space creatures with visages indescribable*! (Yay, tentacle porn!) And when you start combining them, that's when the fun really starts.

I've never seen the show myself, since it's on BBCA, and I don't pirate. I'm not sure I'm missing much. I liked Jack well enough as the Doctor's sidekick, but I'm not sure there's enough character depth there to lead his own show.

*I'm guessing on this one.

[skalja]

I think Jack Harkness is a fascinating character who's been derailed by the writers continually piling on more angst without addressing any of his previous angst.

- When intro'ed in Doctor Who, he was a former secret agent-ish type from the future with trust and honesty issues that were implied to extend from the traumatic and likely shady tampering with his memory by the organization he was a part of, and the ensuing identity/betrayal issues.
- Then he reappears in Torchwood, where he still has identity and betrayal issues, this time ensuing from his abandonment by the Doctor and the little miseries that come with being immortal. All acceptable and even plausible developments, except that TW!Jack is immediately established as being perfectly okay with wiping people's memories, a reversal that was never explained. (The creators involved later admitted they'd completely forgotten about his missing two years. Well, that's understandable; after all, it was only the basis for the primary conflicts of the character in Doctor Who!)
- We later learn that he was coerced into joining Torchwood and has spent the ensuing hundred-plus years as, more or less, an indentured lackey to an organization which disagrees with his most profound beliefs.
- Plus he felt responsible for the disappearance and probable violent death of his little brother as well as the disintegration of his family after said disappearance.
- Then he showed up again in Doctor Who and not only got his trauma thrown back in his face by the Doctor, but he was tortured for a year by a genocidal psychopath. After which the Doctor, onscreen, cried for said madman, but not for him. He returns to Torchwood and everyone's mad at him (not unjustifiably) without having a clue what he went through.
- Shortly afterwards, two of his coworkers and closest friends are murdered by his long-lost brother who hates him working with his former partner. He can't help his friends because he was buried alive for two thousand years and didn't get out until it was too late.
- His dear friend Rose returns from the parallel universe and, judging by the pacing of the last few scenes, gets dumped back there before they can catch up.
- He's never shown to deal with the aftermath of being BURIED ALIVE FOR TWO THOUSAND YEARS, or even the repercussions of seeing Rose (instrumental in his redemption from con man, and also for making him immortal!) again.
- Instead, he watches his lover die in front of his eyes and has to murder his own grandson in front of his daughter to save the lives of other children. His daughter cuts off all contact.

Seriously, a couple of these would be fine -- three or four, even, if the ramifications of earlier traumas were dealt with somewhat before piling on more -- but this is just ridiculous. He's gone from being a campy but mysterious and obviously troubled man learning to let himself be good again to an even wangstier Doctor with more guns and a convoluted backstory.

[mcity]

Who hits on everyone. Can't forget the hitting on everyone.

[skalja]

Naturally.

[stig]

The premise of "Torchwood": If Men in Black started off, badly, in Cardiff, led by a man with the powers of Wolverine & Bill Clinton combined.

Don't get me started on the sheer playground-game writing style of "Cyberwoman", or the disgusting insult of "Countrycide", where the people-eating monsters turn out to be...depraved humans. When you read about local mass murders in the news EVERY DAY it seems beyond tasteless to write sci-fi episode about it, with the protagonists sleeping around on each other AGAIN by the closing credits.

[skalja]

Season 1 is amusingly bad, Season 2 is great, Children of Earth was obnoxiously awful with bonus let's-insult-the-fans drama from the series creator afterwards.

The only people I know of who liked Children of Earth are a segment of the people who'd never seen Torchwood before. I'm sure there ARE fans who liked it, but I've never spoken to or read commentary from any!

[zordboy]

See, I'd never watched "Torchwood" before "Children of Earth", and I absolutely hated it. Even leaving aside Ianto's fridging and Jack killing his own grandson, the sheer... stupidity nearly all the characters displayed made it excessively difficult to care about any of them.

[skalja]

That's why I said "a segment" of people who'd never seen Torchwood before. I know plenty of people in your boat, too.

[icon_uk]

What's not scary about a race which views any and all forms of life which are not Dalek as something to be exterminated with extreme prejudice, and has the firepower to back up the threat?

[zordboy]

... yeah, I got nothin'. They're just not. Oh noes, they want to kill everyone! Because no other villain in the history of fiction is like that >_>.

[icon_uk]

Actually, I'm hard pressed to think of any equivalent villain which sees universal genocide as not so much an aspiration so much as a business plan. You can't rationalise with them, harangue them or threaten them, they just don't care about anything except destroying every single thing which is not a Dalek.

[stig]

Exactly. The Aliens in '''Alien''' want to breed, the Borg want to assimilate, the Thing wants to survive...all the Daleks live for is the destruction of others. Hell, they're even worse than bloody Atrocitus. At least he has a justified reason for his hatred.

[stig]

Oh, wait, there's also the people of Krikkit...though to be fair, they were manipulated by someone else.

[halialkers]

Imperiex?

[halialkers]

Indeed. The best way to make a real terrifying enemy for the Doctor Who crowd is to do a thinly-disguised homage to S&M Stirling's Domination of the Draka. Anti-America that genetically engineers regular Homo sapiens into a genetic slave class? With super-baboon troops? It'd both fit in and be Darker and Edgier.....

[sinisterlink]

I actually laughed out loud at the Sinestro one. Hmm...of the pics we've seen so far, I don't think Sinestro looks good in the white, but he looks a little bit better in that drawing.

And I'm going to have to show the Dalek one to my mom. She'll probably get a kick out of it, being a Dr. Who fan.

Nerd Alert!

[01d55]

1. Atrocitus, founder & leader of the Red Lantern corps, is out for revenge on the guardians for building the genocidal robots that killed his family.
2. Daleks are genocidal robots.
3. ???
THEREFORE
4. Daleks join Red Lantern Corps

Re: Nerd Alert!

[hyperactivator]

No!

Daleks are mutants in little tanks. Not robots.

Re: Nerd Alert!

[01d55]

Oh! Well I suppose once Atrocitus stops spitting blood made of hate all over them to stop and patiently listen to someone explain that they are not in fact robots he will be totally okay with giving a bunch of genocidal mutants in tanks his power rings.

Re: Nerd Alert!

[stig]

I don't think you can choose who gets a ring, it generally just happens. Certainly you can give someone a new ring, as he did with Jordan, but you can't prevent one from latching on to the nearest available user.

Re: Nerd Alert!

[01d55]

It's clear that the rules governing automatic user acquisition are programmable. Sinestro Corps rings will immediately reject any user who refuses a direct order from Sinestro. In his introductory issues, Atrocitus had his rings set up to specifically seek out individuals with grudges against Sinestro or his corps.

Re: Nerd Alert!

[mcity]

5. PROFIT

[comicoz]

I've used that exact same line with my kids. I wasn't an English major, but my mom is, and she did this to me all the time.

May and Can are two very different words. Learn it! Knowing is half the battle (GI-Joe *swoosh*)

[mcity]

My mom was an English teacher, and her insistence on "finished" over "done" drives me crazy. On the other hand, I talk gooder English than most people around here, so that's a plus.

[kirke_novak]

First of all - icon love. And fear. And loathing (and resentment)

Second of all - so is she a Grammar Nazi or a Femminazi? Or both?

[mcity]

She's just likes making "healthy" food, which tastes terrible. And she's an English major, so probably the former.

[birdofprey]

I LOVE your icon. I wonder what color ring Sue Sylvester would bear? Hahaha

[mcity]

Yellow, obviously.

[zordboy]

I hadn't noticed the racism points, but I think you're right. To be fair, wasn't there another survivor that followed the Doctor on the Titanic? The *second* old rich white guy? >_< And even Kylie had to commit suicide at some point. Gah! It took me years before I would let myself watch that special, and when I finally did, I saw that I'd guessed right, it *was* horrible.

And for all his bullshit -- and I think omnicidal maniacs are generally full of bullshit -- I agree with your family. Davros kind of had a valid point there. Even the Doctor acknowledged that in "The End of Time" with Wilfred -- "I don't kill. I got clever, and manipulated other people into killing themselves". And that's true. And just a little deplorable. But it's hard to be mad at him specifically when it seems to be the entire theme of the show.