scans_daily: The Immortals

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@ 2010-04-21 02:29 pm UTC

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char: amadeus cho, char: beta ray bill, char: hercules/marvel, char: namora/aquaria nautica neptunia, char: sif, char: venus, creator: ariel olivetti, creator: fred van lente, creator: greg pak, creator: kelly sue deconnick, creator: paul tobin, creator: reilly brown, creator: ryan stegman, publisher: marvel comics, title: incredible hercules

The Immortals

Four scans apiece from Hercules: Fall of an Avenger #2 and Sif #1.

In Fall of an Avenger, Athena and Apollo's champions (plus the champions of their allies) duke it out; Athena's people win, but both sides are annoyed by the bosses. Amadeus gets the help of Phobos to force Pluto to let him into Hades (by threatening Pluto with sickeningly cute visions):

Next day at Olympus Group, Athena finds that Amadeus has taken the job as CEO, and that he plans to use the Group's resources to try to find Hercules.

Meanwhile, in the second story, Venus and Namora continue their world tour of Hercules' holdings, and come across the Lethe Children's Hospital, which, it turns out, is an orphanage/hospital for the children of monsters. The hospital head explains the history of the place.

They obviously don't make any money doing this. They then visit the hospital ward, where all the terminally ill monster-kids live:

Venus decides to fudge the books on this place, and says she'll visit with the kids in his place, since she's immortal too.

Over in the one-shot Sif, written by Matt Fraction's wife Kelly DeConnick (also a writer/translator, apparently), Sif gets a visit from Beta Ray Bill and his new girlfriend/sole fellow Korbinite, Ti Asha Ra (lucky that the one Korbinite Galactus resurrected turned out to be someone he could get along with - otherwise it would have been like poor Ruebert from that old Dilbert comic strip). They need someone to help them reclaim their sentient spaceship from pirates who have taken it over and infected it with a bioweapon; Bill was looking for Thor, but Sif volunteers since he's not around. The villains are a Borg-esque collective who want to unify the whole universe, so their weapon is mind control, conveniently similar to Sif's recent experience with Loki. Here, she faces off with the head-villain:

She destroys their main generator-thing, and saves the day.

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	no subject phosfate 2010-04-21 07:02 pm UTC (link)
	Minette's not a minotaur. Or maybe she is, and the extra legs and human head are part of her terminal condition. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 15 comments) (Show 15 comments)

	no subject colonel_green 2010-04-21 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	These are the children of monsters, so most of them look like monster/human mixes (there's a giant spider walking around, though). (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 12 comments) (Show 12 comments)

	no subject phosfate 2010-04-21 07:05 pm UTC (link)
	No, no, my point is she's a centaur. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 11 comments) (Show 11 comments)

	no subject colonel_green 2010-04-21 07:08 pm UTC (link)
	I understand what you mean; I was just saying that calling her a "minotaur girl" presumably means her father was a minotaur. She does look more like a centaur, though, particularly the tail. Weird gene mixing, I guess? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

	no subject suzene 2010-04-21 07:16 pm UTC (link)
	Or the artist getting his mythological 'taurs mixed up. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

Major Greek mythology geek ahoy!

kirke_novak
2010-04-21 07:17 pm UTC (link)

OMG! My own soap box!!! XD

Alas, on contrary to popular belief, Minotaur is not a race but a name of one individual, who got offed by Theseus, therefore, didn't have any children. There weren't many Minotaurs running around, just one. His mom sexed-up a bull, that doesn't happen as often as people suspect but more often then they hope for.

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	Re: Major Greek mythology geek ahoy! colonel_green 2010-04-21 07:19 pm UTC (link)
	I know that too; I was reading (somewhat bowdlerized) mythology books in Grade Four. Maybe making people have sex with bulls is something the gods do every so often in the MU? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	Re: Major Greek mythology geek ahoy! kirke_novak 2010-04-21 07:23 pm UTC (link)
	MU and RL it seems, they were a bunch of perverts. I mean, what animals weren't these poor women boning? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	Re: Major Greek mythology geek ahoy! kaileighblue 2010-04-21 07:58 pm UTC (link)
	And Perseus was born when Zeus came to his mother in a "golden shower." (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	Re: Major Greek mythology geek ahoy! kaileighblue 2010-04-21 08:00 pm UTC (link)
	Should be "as a golden shower." (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	Re: Major Greek mythology geek ahoy! kirke_novak 2010-04-21 08:01 pm UTC (link)
	Kinks - older than you think. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

Re: Major Greek mythology geek ahoy!

icon_uk
2010-04-21 08:15 pm UTC (link)

To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen a popular belief that the Minotaur was a race (Even Wonder Woman's Ferdinand is noted as being a Kythotaur, since he's not from Minos)

But even then, why does getting killed by Theseus mean he didn't have kids beforehand? He had the Athenian maidens offerings every nine years after all.

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	Re: Major Greek mythology geek ahoy! 01d55 2010-04-23 12:41 am UTC (link)
	It was generally understood that the maidens were killed and eaten. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	Re: Major Greek mythology geek ahoy! cmdr_zoom 2010-04-22 04:15 am UTC (link)
	yes, and there's only one Pegasus (which is a proper noun), which does not stop lots of winged horses from existing in the collective imagination. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject neuhallidae 2010-04-21 07:05 pm UTC (link)
	Just going by Ovid, she could fit, but her lower half doesn't even look bovine, thanks to that tail. Chalk it up to a term mistake and assume they meant centaur? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject droolfangrrl 2010-04-22 11:29 am UTC (link)
	If they had only given her split hooves and a bovine body. I'm going to go with a lack of communication between the art people and the script people. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject cainofdreaming 2010-04-21 07:17 pm UTC (link)
	Cute, Persephone. Very cute. And aww for the myth-kids. (Reply to this)

	no subject kirke_novak 2010-04-21 07:20 pm UTC (link)
	Why Pluto? If that's Persephone, shouldn't he be Hades? Or, the other way around, if he's Pluto, shouldn't she be Proserpina? Soapboxing aside, I want a puppy Cerberus :D (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject colonel_green 2010-04-21 07:22 pm UTC (link)
	Stan Lee wasn't consistent with the names in the 60s; some of the gods use their Greek names, some the Roman. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject kirke_novak 2010-04-21 07:24 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, in that case... STAN LEE! I JUDGE YOU! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject grazzt 2010-04-22 12:38 pm UTC (link)
	The only reason Pluto goes by Pluto is to lower confusion over Hades the place and Hades the person. So there's no reason for Persephone to change, except maybe in solidarity with her husband. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject mullon 2010-04-21 07:29 pm UTC (link)
	Those are some terrible looking graphics in the first segment. (Reply to this)

	no subject kaileighblue 2010-04-21 07:53 pm UTC (link)
	I join in the earlier Greek mythology NERDRAGE. And raise them the idea that there were no female Centaurs either. Also I would much like to see Pan in big comics.... Then again they'd probably make him pretty. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject kirke_novak 2010-04-21 08:01 pm UTC (link)
	Pan is dead ;_; (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject kaileighblue 2010-04-21 09:16 pm UTC (link)
	LIES AND SLANDER. One guy says Pan is dead and eeeveryone believes him? Give me proof I say. >.> In relation to comics how many people die and come back? Like.. all of them. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject kirke_novak 2010-04-21 09:19 pm UTC (link)
	Tell that to ~~Bucky~~, ~~Jason Todd~~, Uncle Ben! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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icon_uk
2010-04-21 08:19 pm UTC (link)

Ovid would disagree that there were no female centaurs, given that he wrote of Hylonome and Philostratus the Elder also wrote of the Kentaurides

"How beautiful the Centaurides are, even where they are horses; for some grow out of white mares, others are attached to chestnut mares, and the coats of others are dappled, but they glisten like those of horses that are well cared for. There is also a white female Centaur that grows out of a black mare, and the very opposition of the colours helps to produce the united beauty of the whole."

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cygna_hime
2010-04-21 09:04 pm UTC (link)

Hot DAMN, it's Persephone! And looking suitably dread, too! I'd given up on ever seeing her in any adaptation ever! It's like she stole her husband's helm and has been wearing it for the last century or so.

That makes up for the namesmush and the totally-not-a-minotaur girl in my book. Only in my book, though; I like Persephone, and Hades/Persephone is kind of OTP.

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	no subject naela 2010-04-21 09:18 pm UTC (link)
	I know, I know, this is SD so it's never only me, but I am delighted someone else is a Hades/Persephone OTP. I've been shipping Hades/Persephone since I read their story in grade 4 (I even wrote a Kingdom Hearts fic in which she makes an appearance, I love them that much). (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject cygna_hime 2010-04-21 09:52 pm UTC (link)
	I even wrote a Kingdom Hearts fic in which she makes an appearance, I love them that much TELL ME MORE ABOUT THIS LIKE NOW. Mostly because I believe you have just saved me from writing this same fic. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject naela 2010-04-22 08:03 am UTC (link)
	Unfortunately this fic was written ages ago and before I was out of highschool so it was terribad. BUT if you plan on writing a Hades/Persephone fic for KH I would so read it! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject cygna_hime 2010-04-22 06:47 pm UTC (link)
	Noooooo I do not need more plots nooooooooo. Your problem. defiant (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject darkblade 2010-04-21 09:55 pm UTC (link)
	How does Persephone work in the Dinsey-fied Greek Mythology that Kingdom Hearts uses? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject colonel_green 2010-04-21 09:25 pm UTC (link)
	With Persephone, I think her seldom appearing as Hades' wife has a lot to do with most adaptations basically depicting the gods in their "default" state. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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bluefall
2010-04-22 03:59 am UTC (link)

It's like she stole her husband's helm and has been wearing it for the last century or so.

Haha, that took me a minute.

For a long time, the thing that made me saddest in Rucka's Wondy run was that Hades got killed off and replaced by Ares without so much as a namecheck for Persephone. And after Perez even wrote her as an ally of the Patrons! (She gets, like, three panels in his whole run, but that's three more panels than she gets anywhere else ever.)

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	no subject colonel_green 2010-04-22 04:14 am UTC (link)
	She's one of the more invisible goddesses - only Hestia has it worse, and she's an extra even in the original myths (I was stunned when Rick Riordan actually managed to make Hestia a really important figure in The Last Olympian). (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject tacobob 2010-04-21 09:36 pm UTC (link)
	Dwaah. I want a three headed puppy! (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject proteus_lives 2010-04-21 09:40 pm UTC (link)
	Don't we all? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject tacobob 2010-04-21 09:49 pm UTC (link)
	:3 (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject cmdr_zoom 2010-04-22 04:17 am UTC (link)
	Spider Sir and Iron Sir might not, after their experience dogsitting. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject amaniwolf 2010-04-21 10:18 pm UTC (link)
	I'm still annoyed they changed Sif's outfit from the one she had on when she first reappeared. I thought that was a great look, this one....ehh....not so much. And everyone loves 3 headed puppy! It's cute x 3! (Reply to this)

	no subject lieut_kettch 2010-04-22 03:45 am UTC (link)
	I wanna Cerberus puppy. You could pat one head, while patting the other head, and feed the last one! (Reply to this)

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bluefall
2010-04-22 04:09 am UTC (link)

Man, I totally forgot to pick up Sif. Gotta remember to put things on my pull!

Mythological inaccuracies and the adorableness of puppy!Cerberus aside, I continue to be pleased and a little awed by the friendship of Venus and Namora. They're just... women, being friends, having each other's backs and accomplishing stuff together and being a fun little superhero team. Or, subteam, I guess? Duo? Whatever, the important thing is, VanPak are writing it like it was perfectly normal and obvious and not any different from Cap and Clint or Barry and Hal or Ben and Reed. I don't mind telling y'all I love them a little for it.

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	no subject colonel_green 2010-04-22 04:12 am UTC (link)
	The AoA backup part of this is by Paul Tobin, I believe - but I agree, they're a well-written friendship. The iHerc writers definitely do a great job with a diverse female cast, though. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject valtyr 2010-04-22 06:51 pm UTC (link)
	Paul Tobin was a Marvel Adventures writer, right? There were some decent female friendships there. Glad to see more of it. The Herc cast is great, though, I applaud their ability to write a womanizing hero and still give the female characters agency and, well, character. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject bluefall 2010-04-22 09:52 pm UTC (link)
	Yup, I'm an idiot. Though actually, the credit really should go to Parker, since it first struck me in AoA #3 when Namora's angsting about her daughter and being mildly suicidal with the mine tanker. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject nothingbutcake 2010-04-22 09:54 am UTC (link)
	Love these pages. I plan on naming my first daughter Persephone. Probably going to leave out "The Iron Queen of Hell" as the middle name. (Reply to this)

	no subject koschei 2010-04-24 08:35 am UTC (link)
	No one's noticed that the cyclops girl has purple hair? (Reply to this)

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