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This post is dedicated to Big Brother.

He was talking about Antichrist and said that while it was a decent film, you did get to see a lot of Willem Dafoe's dick. This is slightly off putting when all that's going through your head is that it's Norman Osborn, apparently.

So, I told him about Sins Past and about a chance to see Norman Osborn's O-face when he's impregnating Spider-man's girlfriend, but that the real fun with Naked Norman Osborn was from Thunderbolts.

Yes, this is as Bill as the Hills, but it's The Best Norman Osborn scene ever (even better than Dark Avengers #3 and is pretty much the reason why we got Dark Reign.

Context: Norman Osborn has been placed in charge of the Thunderbolts, a team of reformed supervillains who work out of Colorado, apprehending rogue "superheroes" who refuse to obey the law.
Thunderbolt Mountain is under attack by psychics, making the team to go mad. The Swordsman has literally cut guards in half, including Venom, who is eating everybody that he can get his hands on. Into the breach, steps a hero...

Tip - Watch the composition of the panels on the pages in this scene.

NORMAN OSBORN FACT #1 - Norman Osborn is fucking mental.

NORMAN OSBORN FACT #2 - Norman Osborn is right.

NORMAN OSBORN FACT #3 - Norman Osborn is now in prison with his mask.

And now the pay off. Click to enlarge

Watch how the panels go from being arranged erratically to having a clean, rigid order once Norman puts the Goblin outfit on. Plus, we get the idea that this is the suit that Norman wore when he killed Gwen Stacy, Spider-man's girlfriend and the mother of (2 of) his children.

If you like it, buy your own copy of Caged Angels at amazon. Yours probably won't be signed by Warren Ellis like mine, but never mind.

Date: 2010-05-24 08:20 pm (UTC)
proteus_lives: (Default)
From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
One of the best scenes in the last ten years.

If they did a movie version of this scene, who would play Norman? Saying Tommy Lee Jones is the easy way out. I could see Dafoe doing it but I would love to see various other actors take a crack at it.

Date: 2010-05-24 08:36 pm (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig
William H Macy, maybe?

Date: 2010-05-24 08:45 pm (UTC)
proteus_lives: (Default)
From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
He's got the acting chops but I don't recall him in a crazy role. Well, Magnolia.

Date: 2010-05-24 08:51 pm (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig
His part in Fargo was very much mentally unstable and capable of moral degeneration.

Another possible would be...oh, I dunno...Frank Langella? Jeremy Irons? Or the one who, of course, would be utterly awesome in the part and therefore won't ever get it...Kelsey Grammer.

Date: 2010-07-05 10:05 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
>>His part in Fargo was very much mentally unstable and capable of moral degeneration.

He was also a terrible planner who never thought anything through and relied on everything to fall into place against logic. He also lacked imagination. One got the feeling he got the idea from a TV show or something. And let's not forget his utter inability to effectively lie.

All things that would tell me there's no congruence with Osborn. At least not until Osborn's been going a while and gets overconfident and lazy-minded. Which he eventually did, granted.

Date: 2010-07-05 05:55 pm (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig
I dunno, add sarcasm, bouts of rage and horrible cackling and you get Osborn as written by Warren Ellis in Thunderbolts.

Plus, the man is, you actor.

Date: 2010-07-05 10:08 pm (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
I guess too he seems too small in stature to give the proper impression. He seems more like, hypothetically, the type who'd be Osborne's assistant than Osborne.

Date: 2010-05-24 08:54 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
Check out EDMOND, a David Mamet play adapted into a film by RE-ANIMATOR'S Stuart Gordon! That's the surest argument for Macy as Norman as I can possibly imagine. Also, it's just cool seeing a Mamet play handled by a horror director.

Date: 2010-05-24 08:40 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner



Date: 2010-05-24 08:45 pm (UTC)
proteus_lives: (Default)
From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
Dear sir,

That makes a suspicious amount of sense.

Date: 2010-05-24 08:48 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
Not only can he actually grow Norman's hair (!!!), but anyone who doesn't know him or only knows him as Dr. Cox... well, to them, I offer up this evidence:

Cue to 3:15.

For a couple years now, it's been a private dream of mine to somehow, someway, get McGinley to perform this monologue. Hell, have Ellis write a whole show for him: NORMAN OSBORN'S SING-A-LONG BLOG.

Date: 2010-05-24 08:53 pm (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig
"The Dictation of President Goblin: A Naked Web-Log".

Date: 2010-05-24 08:52 pm (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig
Well, that's the end of my suggestion list. *Tears it up*

Date: 2010-05-24 08:53 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
Honestly, if I weren't hell-bent of McGinley, I'd honestly love to see Macy in the role. I remember when someone once suggested Macy playing Rorschach. Would have loved to have seen that, holy hell.

Date: 2010-05-24 08:54 pm (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig

Hey, by the by, do I like an idiot for learning this only just recently, but didja know Gill from The Simpsons is based on Macy in Fargo?

Date: 2010-05-25 12:25 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Where did you hear that? AFAIK Gil is based on Walther Matthau in "Glengarry Glen Ross"

Date: 2010-05-25 07:40 am (UTC)
proteus_lives: (Default)
From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
True dat. Gil predates Fargo.

Glengarry Glen Ross is such a great movie.

Date: 2010-07-05 10:06 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
You mean Jack Lemmon.

I'm surprised nobody pointed this out before now.

Date: 2010-07-05 11:06 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I believe the classic response here is "D'OH!"

(That'll teach me to automatically flash to "The Odd Couple" when I think of either of them

Date: 2010-05-25 01:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradhanon
I'd love to see Stellan SkarsgÄrd take a whack at it. I think he could bring an impressive level of menace to the party.

Date: 2010-05-24 08:38 pm (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: mystery meat)
From: [personal profile] skalja
And this is why I can't help but love* Norman, no matter how often he shows up.

* For definitions of love indicating an interest in a fictional character, not affection for a homicidal maniac.

Date: 2010-05-24 09:25 pm (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: gwen eyebrow)
From: [personal profile] skalja
Uh ... no, not really. But he's fascinating.

Date: 2010-05-24 09:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] myokymia
Agreed. Ellis does a swell job here of making Norman sound bonkers and completely rational simultaneously. A rare effort...if you're not Warren F'kn Ellis. I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote this during his first cigarette of the day. Madman's a natural.

Date: 2010-05-25 10:31 am (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (Default)
From: [personal profile] skalja
Oh, yes, that I agree with. I just disagree with Stubble that Norman is, you know, correct in his assessment of the universe, because he's not.

Date: 2010-05-24 08:53 pm (UTC)
neuhallidae: (Default)
From: [personal profile] neuhallidae
Even if it was mostly telepath-induced, this is still the most glorious Osborn breakdown ever written.

Date: 2010-05-24 10:20 pm (UTC)
lencannon: shy guy (Default)
From: [personal profile] lencannon
If you can watch Antichrist and think of Spider-man, there's a lot going on between your ears.

Date: 2010-07-05 10:07 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
I thought of the hardware store.

Date: 2010-05-24 10:28 pm (UTC)
sianmink: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sianmink
Naked Crazy Monologue Norman was the most epic of epic moments in that run of Thunderbolts.

Date: 2010-05-24 10:32 pm (UTC)
mullon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mullon
This is how Siege should have ended.

Date: 2010-05-24 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
If Norman was written THIS well throughout Dark Reign, it probably would have been the greatest event comic in the history of existence.

Date: 2010-05-25 01:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmdr_zoom
I never get tired of seeing this.

Date: 2010-05-25 08:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] equinox216
While not on your central point, the bits immediately following this, with Norman flying the Glider through the complex while singing 'John Barleycorn', and the guards peeing themselves getting the fuck out of his way, was likewise epic Goblin.

Date: 2010-05-26 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] former_callixte
Oh dear god, just imagining that in a youtube video capture from a video game just about made me wet my pants laughing. And now of course I am wishing that video existed. Hmm, I must search.....

Date: 2010-05-26 02:49 am (UTC)
ar_feiniel: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ar_feiniel
Seeing Willem Dafoe's junk could never be off putting. That is crazy talk.


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