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If you have never seen an episode of "Sex and the City" it's all about cliched "girl talk" -- shoes, cupcakes, sex and men. Men, men, men. At times it's like it just doesn't adhere to Bechdel's Rule, it's like it mugs it and leaves it bleeding by the side of the road.
The movie sequel opens today and I'm being forced to see it tonight as part of a birthday celebration for two of my friends*. I don't read much Marvel, but I love the Alias series and I have never posted anything from it. So here's Jessica Jones and Carol Danvers dishing the dirt in 4 pages of Alias #6.
*Who really do have good taste except for this and at least we are drinking, heavily in my case, first.





title: Alias, creator: Brian Michael Bendis, char: char: jewel/jessica jones, char: char: ms. marvel/carol danvers, creator: michael gaydos.

Date: 2010-05-28 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gailsimone
DISTINCTIVE!

...Wow

Date: 2010-05-28 09:06 pm (UTC)
angel_negra: First female Rogue of the Flash. <3 (Golden_Glider)
From: [personal profile] angel_negra
You know, I can usually stand the "girl talk" of shows like Sex in the City. Until now, I never realized that it was due to actual facial expressions and character reactions. That has got to be the most boring conversation EVER. And the lack of actual facial expressions didn't help one iota.

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-28 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gailsimone
Bendis is a great writer, I love almost all the stuff of his that I've read, he's just fun to tease.

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-28 09:36 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Alias is actually my FAVORITE marvel series. made me love Jessica Jones

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-28 10:13 pm (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Here, here!

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-30 01:11 am (UTC)
angel_negra: (Manhunter)
From: [personal profile] angel_negra
Well, it's not that I find it bad writing, but for this kind of gossip talk, I think I need a level of dynamic movement that comes best from moving pictures, be they real people or animated. More exaggerated facial expressions would have interested me more too. Seeing these scenes made me notice this a lot more, which makes sense in hindsight since I generally find written gossip boring.

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-28 09:57 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
The lack of facial expressions (and the constant lazy repeating images) is one reason why I can never really dig Bendis stuff like ALIAS and his DAREDEVIL. Unless he's working with an artist gifted with facial expressions and body language, Bendis' comic scripts would be much better served as plays or film scripts.

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-28 10:10 pm (UTC)
philippos42: zat's bunny (comedy)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Would he direct? I can imagine his stage directions--possibly with hissy fits when actors don't return to the same exact position repeatedly.

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-28 10:21 pm (UTC)
khamelea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] khamelea
Hire Keanu Reeves.

What, wrong decade?

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-29 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Hell, even in his own art he's pretty good at doing really expressive faces.

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-29 03:48 am (UTC)
alienist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alienist
I don't mind the expressions, but the very blatant repeats? Yeah, no.

Date: 2010-05-28 11:12 pm (UTC)
felinephoenix: Asuka Chatting. (eva - chatty asuka)
From: [personal profile] felinephoenix
Hmm. I love Maleev's art like burning, but yeah, his facial expressions can be hard to make out sometimes. Still, I wouldn't say they're non-existent. Jessica has some great ones in this series and ditto for Matt in the Daredevil run.

They're just a) sort of subtle to begin and b) annoyingly obscure by thick shadows sometimes.

Yeah. :(

Date: 2010-05-30 01:14 am (UTC)
angel_negra: Maxx in Julie's outback (Maxx)
From: [personal profile] angel_negra
Yeah, that was some wonky wording on my part. I meant that I needed either more extreme expressions or actual moving faces/bodies. The subtle expressions and sunglasses are just too static for me.

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-28 11:14 pm (UTC)
felinephoenix: Irrational? Strange? Must be humans. (animorphs - damn irrational humans)
From: [personal profile] felinephoenix
What the hell, brainfart. I meant Gaydos. My bad.

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-29 07:06 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Let's not forget the Mo Rule: Yes, you have two women, and yes, they are friends.

But they spend all the time talking about guys.

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-29 12:52 pm (UTC)
joasakura: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joasakura
yeah, i was just gonna say this totally fails the bechdel test

Re: ...Wow

Date: 2010-05-30 01:16 am (UTC)
angel_negra: (Manhunter)
From: [personal profile] angel_negra
I'm willing to give it a pass, kinda. I mean, the scene is totally going for a Sex in the City vibe, so in that sense, they nailed it. To that end, Sex in the City isn't the best example of 'what women talk about when together'.

Date: 2010-05-28 09:24 pm (UTC)
ext_79087: robin-thighs (robin thighs)
From: [identity profile] wasabi.livejournal.com
Wow...it's like every co-worker gossip session I usually try and avoid overhearing, except cleverly re-contextualized as "entertainment."

Date: 2010-05-28 09:51 pm (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
That's a lot of talking.

Date: 2010-05-28 10:07 pm (UTC)
mullon: (Bakura)
From: [personal profile] mullon
You never hear dudes having such insipid conversations. We talk about important things, like which RPG is the best and who could kick who's ass.

Date: 2010-05-28 10:38 pm (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Among my circle of friends, that would be considered "girl talk".

Date: 2010-05-28 11:04 pm (UTC)
suzene: (Luff!)
From: [personal profile] suzene
Ha! Motto!

Date: 2010-05-28 11:14 pm (UTC)
felinephoenix: I love Ulti!MJ's expressions a little too much. (ulti-spidey: mj hay hay hay)
From: [personal profile] felinephoenix
Ditto. Except replace RPGs with fanfic.

Wait. Would talking about what fictional dudes might be like in bed count as "girl talk"?

Date: 2010-05-28 11:19 pm (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Hell, yes! But there'd be asskicking too.

We talk about cartoons and RPG's mostly, although comics get into it sometimes.

Date: 2010-05-28 11:32 pm (UTC)
mullon: (Bakura)
From: [personal profile] mullon
Weren't you paying attention?! You're supposed to talk about shoes, and boys!

Date: 2010-05-28 11:35 pm (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Isn't that what the guys talk about? We talk about handheld games and websites and dogs with sharp teeth.

Date: 2010-05-29 12:20 am (UTC)
cygna_hime: (Redheads FTW)
From: [personal profile] cygna_hime
Damn straight!

Date: 2010-05-28 10:14 pm (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
What's funny here is Jessica's surprise at Luke having been with She-Hulk. I doubt I need to say why.

Date: 2010-05-29 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
...You might doubt wrong. What's funny about that?

Date: 2010-05-29 02:44 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Well considering She-Hulk's reputation when it comes to men, it's only a matter of time until she runs across one of the manwhores which include: Tony Stark, Wolverine, and yes Luke Cage. If she was a DC Character, Roy Harper and Oliver Queen definitely would be added to the list.

Date: 2010-05-28 10:51 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
I wonder how well Michael Patrick King or another Sex and the City writer would do on a Marvel comic. Allan Heinberg wrote for SATC and created the Young Avengers.

Any other SATC writers try their hands at superhero comics? Marc Guggenheim wrote for CSI: Miami and The Practice, but not SATC.

Date: 2010-05-28 11:00 pm (UTC)
seriousfic: (Default)
From: [personal profile] seriousfic
This clearly needed four pages to fully contain its awesomeness. Jack Kirby, Alan Moore, philistines like that, they might only devote two or three pages to the concept of Luke Cage enjoying sex with superheroines. Only Brian Michael Bendis would know that the audience would not only want, but DEMAND a list of female superheroes that Luke Cage has banged.

Date: 2010-05-29 08:42 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
According to rumor, at least. Personally I doubt all of those are true :)

Date: 2010-05-28 11:01 pm (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax
~voiceover of Black Cat~

"You know...in this city you sometimes realize that some of the best men....are the ones with the most baggage,,,"

~Mary Jane, Black Cat, Carol Danvers, Black Widow, Storm and Sue Storm are sitting in a cafe eating dinner~

"C'mon Sue..tell us...does EVERYTHING stretch?"

~Sue rolls her eyes and takes a bit of her salad~

" You ask that every time we get together Cat and I always say the same thing ~a bite of salad and a wicked grin~ a girl's got to have SOME secrets"

~Carol looks over at a stressed MJ~

"Girl you look like you haven't eaten in days...~

~Storm looks over from her conversation with Carol~

"She's right honey....you look awful."

~MJ lets off a slight smile~

"Thanks Ororo.....it's just...Peter..."

~the girls all stop eating and look over at MJ, Widow rolls her eyes~

"I've been telling you Jane, that man's nothing but trouble. His bullshit makes Tony's problems with booze look like a trip to Disney World"

~Storm sends a glare to Widow who rolls her eyes~

"He just...it's like...I lost a year. I can't put my finger on it but a year is just...gone. Fuzzy"

"Yeah..that happened to me once...had a name for it though...martinis"

"God shut up Carol."

~MJ laughs~

"Thanks girls....I bet it's nothing. Just....I miss him so much sometimes"

~Cat looks awkwardly away, camera pulls out of restaurant~

"That's the moment I knew....this City and I had two things in common....we both had secrets that needed to be kept~

Date: 2010-05-29 12:22 am (UTC)
cygna_hime: Athena is a feminist bitch (Feminist Classicist Bitch)
From: [personal profile] cygna_hime
If this is what women are supposed to talk about, I'm quitting the gender in protest. Seriously, have you ever heard anything more inane? Don't they have jobs, or hobbies, or news, or books? ANYTHING but this?

Date: 2010-05-29 01:15 am (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
This is, if I recall, their first friendly meeting in a long time. Best for them to talk about surface stuff.

Date: 2010-05-29 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
All I can say is I hope you get smashed enough to just roll through that flick, man. :)

Date: 2010-05-29 03:02 am (UTC)
dynamite: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dynamite
Dear God, are they both wearing sunglasses while eating at a restaurant. Nobody is cool enough for that.

Date: 2010-05-29 03:48 am (UTC)
alienist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alienist
I've done it!

I'm not cool, though, just light-sensitive.

Date: 2010-05-29 09:02 am (UTC)
golden_orange: trust me, i'm wearing a vegetable. (Default)
From: [personal profile] golden_orange
To be fair, they are eating outside; maybe the sun's glaring?

terrible art, just terrible

Date: 2010-05-29 08:31 am (UTC)
jazzypom: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jazzypom
There are a few things stopping me from getting the trades, and this art is pretty much the reason why I'm all, "Mmmmabye--- nope."

Date: 2010-05-29 08:05 pm (UTC)
mechanicaljewel: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mechanicaljewel
This conversation has always bothered me because of the reason Luke Cage brings up when she "confronts" him about the "cape chasing" later. Why would it bother her that a superhero tends to sleep mostly with other superheroes? It's not like Luke friggin' Cage is some mouth-breathing fanboy.

Date: 2010-05-30 01:33 am (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Could be like the celebrities who only date other celebrities thing, with Jessica feeling insecure about Luke having been attracted to her adventuring past rather than her as a person.

Date: 2010-05-30 11:08 am (UTC)
tzipwich: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tzipwich
Is it just me, or does Jessica Jones have a real problem with She-Hulk? Throughout Alias she acts that way more than once. What's her deal?

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