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Okay, so now we've reached part 3 of my collection inventory project. 4 long boxes in and I've done DC from 1994 and Eclipse from 1987. That means it's time for Marvel from 1976! Understand that as a kid, I was a total card-carrying member of the Merry Marvel Marching Society (except for, you know, actually having the card). My DC collection is far more sporadic prior to the mid-80s, but my Marvel collection had more detail to it. However, the 1970s were the time before comic shops, when comics were gotten at Supermarkets, Drugstores and even(gasp!) newstands. Sometimes it was catch as catch can, since there was no good system for getting back issues and if you missed it, you missed it forever (or so it seemed to a kid).

Here we have an example of one I missed the first few issues for, but when I found it, I grabbed on with both hands. I give you Super-Villain Team-Up!




Wherein Doom is...well, DOOM. Namor is caught between a Rock and a Hard Place, a new character is introduced and an unexpected guest star appears.

Okay, so both Marvel and DC in the 1970s had titles that featured villains teaming-up as the protagonists. DC's, iirc, was more of rotating roster and a larger group...though the Joker feature prominently. Marvel's title was really a Dr. Doom road-show. The title is also something of a misnomer. Doom, as you might expect, rarely teams-up with ANYONE. This is certainly the case, here. Further, Namor isn't actually considered a villain at this point.

So, set-up: Dr. Doom has managed, through manipulations, to get Namor under his power. Namor requires a serum Doom has to survive. Without regular doses several times a day, he will die. Doom's price for his help? To forge an alliance between Latveria and Atlantis, to raise both of them to an even footing with the world's existing super-powers. In the previous issue, Doom kidnaps Namor and then mocks the Fantastic Four when they try to stop him. Doom then challenges the FF (and Reed specifically) to come rescue "ol' fish-face" as Ben calls him.

Predictably, the FF arrive and are met with ROBOTS. This is Doom, after all. Doom has been waiting for their arrival, but he has three other guests. Namor, his 'unexpected guest' (to the reader, at least) and one even Doom is unaware of....The Shroud, a new hero who has sworn to kill Dr. Doom (for arguably very selfish reasons). I only mention The Shroud (who I rather liked) because he occupies a few panels here and might be confusing, otherwise. While the FF battle Doom's robots, he showboats to his other guest:



Yes, that's right. Doom is so Hardcore he blows a nuke in his castle...just to show off how smart he is. But wait, there's more:


Better than NASA, able to sabotage a bay (and Latervia is land-locked) and he had a working Star Wars Defense BEFORE Star-Wars. Suck it, bitches! Also: LASER BOMB. Note that Doom on the throne, there.


Now, by this point the reader might have sussed out who the guest was. There have been several visual clues...at least to a reader in 1976, anyhow. Things are going great until of course Toady #134 shows up and points out that the darned FF are actually in the courtyard. Those robots aren't working. Doom needs a few minutes, so he orders an unhappy Namor out to fight them. Namor is reluctant (remember, he's their friend, mostly, at this point) but the Torch pisses him off and it's ON. But Namor is still kinda weak, so he loses.

The FF make it inside the castle when SUDDENLY, DOOM DOES WHAT DOOM DOES:


Yes, that's right...Henry Kissinger making a treaty with Dr. Doom. I guess if 'only Nixon could go to China', then 'only Ford could go to Latveria'? Clearly, this whole episode was designed to allow Doom to deliver a political humiliating smackdown to the FF. It's Doom-dickery on an epic scale. This is how Doom should be written.


4 pages out of 31 from Super-Villain Team-Up #6.

Tags: Title: Super-Villian Team-Up, Creator: Herb Trimpe, Creator: Steve Englehart, Char: sub-mariner/namor mckenzie, Char: Dr. Doom/Victor von Doom

Date: 2010-05-31 05:35 pm (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Heh, Kissinger. Between this and Cambodia... Plus, I liked the Shroud too--kind of a cross between Daredevil and Batman.

Date: 2010-06-03 04:11 am (UTC)
aaron_bourque: default (Default)
From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
???

Daredevil essentially is Batman without the detective skill or awesome gadgets or massive monies.

So the Shroud is what? Daredevil with gadgets?

Date: 2010-06-03 05:10 am (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
I was thinking more look-wise.

Date: 2010-05-31 06:44 pm (UTC)
kirke_novak: (Marvel: Namor (surfacer))
From: [personal profile] kirke_novak
I love those comic books. Doom has such a sad, unrequited crush on Namor and tries to make him his bride, and Namor resists...

Date: 2010-06-03 04:11 am (UTC)
aaron_bourque: default (Default)
From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
I think you're reading a different comic book . . .

Date: 2010-06-03 09:03 am (UTC)
kirke_novak: (Marvel: Deadpool (tentacles))
From: [personal profile] kirke_novak
The comic book is the same, the goggles are different. Your goggles? They do nothing! Mine? Slashgoggles.

Date: 2010-05-31 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lonewolf23k
Nowadays, I could definitely see Doom playing the United Nations, offering his technological secrets to other countries in exchange for voting support on the UN council.

Date: 2010-05-31 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hyperactivator
Competence porn!

Date: 2010-05-31 08:21 pm (UTC)
ian_karkull: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ian_karkull
Other great team-ups we'd like to see:

Nikola Sarkozy & Batroc!

Angela Merkel & Modok!

George W. Bush & Forbush Man!

Date: 2010-06-01 12:12 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
"We've never bucked the government...well except that time we stole that spaceship which is why you're the Thing. But HOLD BACK NOW, Ben!"

So, I see Doom and Kissinger. I'm assuming that's the Team-Up this issue? How come Kissinger doesn't get cover billing? ;)

Date: 2010-06-01 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cricharddavies
He does. He's the "unexpected guest star" mentioned -- as the fact that they really are going there is a last-page reveal, it wouldn't make sense to name him on the cover.

Date: 2010-06-01 03:01 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Kissinger is my favorite supervillain. I remember well how he fooled the US into slaughtering the people of a country that never had attacked us, and then he got a Nobel for it. Genius! Worthy of Luthor!

Good thing there's no one like that in real life.

Date: 2010-06-01 10:46 am (UTC)
flidgetjerome: Hark, a Vagrant #328 (Default)
From: [personal profile] flidgetjerome
I always loved this story because, yeah, it made so much sense as far as the character dynamics went. In fact, I once used it to explain Kissinger's whole deal to a younger friend.

Date: 2010-06-01 08:04 pm (UTC)
halialkers: Raven in Blue hood, glowing white eyes, right hand with palm stretched upward (Default)
From: [personal profile] halialkers
So how'd we end up falling for that trick twice?

Date: 2010-06-01 11:00 pm (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Well, it's like this: we're really, really stupid.

Date: 2010-06-01 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
But the commies! The COMMIES, man! The commies were about to beat us into space! Those dirty, stinkin' reds! It was a national emergency! There was no TIME for 'holding back'! *waves hands around* Don't you UNDERSTAND?!

Date: 2010-06-01 08:03 pm (UTC)
halialkers: Raven in Blue hood, glowing white eyes, right hand with palm stretched upward (Default)
From: [personal profile] halialkers
Technically the USSR *did* beat the USA into space.

Date: 2010-06-01 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
Yes, I know. I'm referring to the first issue of the FF, where their self-stated reason for rushing the project forward ahead of schedule and blasting off without permission in an unshielded rocket is that "the commies" (or possibly "the Reds"; I forget which term they used) are about to jump ahead of them in the space race - they've GOT to get up there before they do! (I believe this was published before Sputnik came on the scene.)

Date: 2010-06-02 12:33 am (UTC)
philippos42: Sarigar (Default)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Nope. Well after Sputnik. And Laika. The first FF issue was written pretty close to the time Yuri Gagarin got into space.

Date: 2010-06-02 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
*shrugs* OK, well, presumably they were making a reference to a similar sort of mission that the Russians were planning, and they just HAD to do it before them. (It's possible that the mission that they're referring to was the one that resulted in the Red Ghost and his Super-Apes, which was ultimately done in IMITATION of the FF in order to get similar powers, but it may have been in the works beforehand.)

Date: 2010-06-14 10:49 pm (UTC)
philippos42: Sarigar (Default)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
I think Stan meant it to be a mission to Mars in the original script.

Date: 2010-06-14 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
Are you sure? I've read that story a number of times, and I don't recall any reference to Mars.

Date: 2010-06-24 12:21 am (UTC)
philippos42: Sarigar (Default)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Not as printed. In the original story idea.

Date: 2010-06-24 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
Ohhhhh, OK. So he was originally going to have the mission be explicitly one to Mars, but wound up changing his mind before he actually wrote it?

Date: 2010-06-26 06:33 am (UTC)
philippos42: Sarigar (Default)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Supposedly.

Date: 2010-07-15 09:03 pm (UTC)
philippos42: Sarigar (Default)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
See the reproduced story pitch here, after the Two-Face stuff: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/08/27/comic-book-legends-revealed-222/

It may be a fake.

Date: 2010-07-16 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
MmmmmYEAH, sounds like it should be taken with a grain of salt. The point is that they were going into SPACE.

Date: 2010-06-01 02:47 am (UTC)
tacobob: Mordecai Not Very Impressed (Default)
From: [personal profile] tacobob
Aha! So it was DOOM who turned Mister Kissinger into the EVIL Henry Killinger! I wonder if Doom also gave him his MAGIC MURDER BAG?

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Date: 2010-06-01 04:52 am (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
That is the scariest fucking thing I have ever seen in my entire life.

I may just.... oh, okay. I did it. I peed my pants.

Date: 2010-06-01 12:48 pm (UTC)
tacobob: Mordecai Not Very Impressed (Default)
From: [personal profile] tacobob
He's actually a character from the Venture Brothers TV show.

Date: 2010-06-01 06:11 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Well I know THAT. I'm just saying that drawing makes him look fucking terrifying.

Date: 2010-06-02 05:52 am (UTC)
tacobob: Mordecai Not Very Impressed (Default)
From: [personal profile] tacobob
Oh! Image and video hosting by TinyPic

Re: A little song

Date: 2010-06-01 07:39 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
Always what plays in my head whenever I hear his name.

Date: 2010-06-01 05:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Tom Lehrer commented that after Henry Kissinger had been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the concept of political satire was rendered obsolete

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