benicio127: (Lois love)benicio127 ([personal profile] benicio127) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily,
@ 2010-06-10 02:20 pm UTC
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Cross-posted to No Scans_Daily.


First of all, apologies to [personal profile] nevermore999 for posting this from her LJ without asking first.

However, I really thought it was important enough to post.


Bill Willingham came in the panel, and ohmygod this really stupid guy bought up Steph, saying her death was poignant and he didn't think they should have bought her back because it was so important Batman kicked her to the curb and Leslie Thompkins (yes, he apparently liked THAT too) and Mom got all uncomfortable next to me...to Willingham's credit, he shut the guy down, saying the death was never his plan and he actually argued for Steph to live. Sattler said he wasn't around for it, and that the fans are really into Steph, and that he thinks it's important they redeemed Leslie Thompkins. Then Willingham had to ruin everything and say, and I swear to God this is a direct quote "I wanted to gun down those girls who kept asking about the (Steph's) memorial case."

My jaw just dropped open. I knew from interviews and shit that Willingham was an asshole- and I'm sorry, he is, for mocking people at panels, and mocking men for daring to cry over a comic book death- but that is just a creepy as fuck thing to say. I raised my hand and I wanted to say "Willingham, you're an asshole" but instead I just told him a) I hated Stephanie's death and b) You shouldn't want to gun people down for being passionate about a character.

Backpedaling time! No, see, those silly girls were just distracting from important issues at panels by asking the same question over and over again, andandand they just don't understanf how the comics industry works and then, I swear to god, he word for word said the "being hated is almost as good" quote. He DID. He and Sattler telled me that when fans hate a story, it's almost as good as if they love it, because at least they care.




So let me just lift the Internet veil for a minute. I am/was a journalist and I used to be a crime/court reporter. In my four years working for three different Canadian newspapers, I reported on a lot of incidents of violence against women. One of those was a four-part series on the high rate of domestic violence in a small community, for which I was nominated for a National Newspaper Award. So trust me when I say I have seen what violence against women does and how important a topic like this is to me.
So yeah, this comment disturbs me on many levels. It is truly an indefensible comment and the fact that it was made in a public venue with little discourse is disturbing. Serious props to [personal profile] nevermore999 for standing up to Willingham and pointing out his incredibly horrific and misogynistic comment. Young impressionable boys buy these comics and that writers who write them actually think these things and then say them outloud in a public venue is shocking to say the very least.





 


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skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: jessica badass drew)


[personal profile] skalja
2010-06-10 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Okay, let me rephrase -- he expressed a fantasy of violence towards members of a group frequently victim to hate crimes. And as [personal profile] karenhealey pointed out on girl-wonder.org, the female fans who frustrated him to the point of publically expressing violent fantasies were asking for a memorial for a female character who was murdered in a sexualized way.

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[personal profile] nefrekeptah
2010-06-10 10:08 pm UTC (link)
"Asking" nothing - they were demanding it.

But yeah, agreed with everything else - I do sympathize with his frustration, but that was completely the wrong thing to say

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skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (dc: supergirl skydance)


[personal profile] skalja
2010-06-10 10:14 pm UTC (link)
Oh, well if those uppity womenfolk are too demanding, that makes it all right, then.

Speaking as one of the women in question (in the most peripheral sense - I sent in a postcard), there is a huge difference between being entitled and daring not to back down before getting satisfactory answers.

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schmevil: (darth vader (noooooo!))


[personal profile] schmevil
2010-06-10 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Oh but these poor comic book creators, at the mercy of their fans, don't you know. The girls are the worst. They want female characters treated like they're the equal of male characters. Terrible!

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zemo: (Green Arrow)


[personal profile] zemo
2010-06-10 10:14 pm UTC (link)
That's basically what happened, yes. I won't be the judge of the way they asked him or demanded it, which seemingly tipped him over in the end, he should be appologizing by now.

And I hope you won't think too bad of me, but wording is so important on the internet. Otherwise you get someone saying two months down "I hate that guy! He threatened to shoot fans in fornt of an audience, did you know?"

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