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Cross-posted to No Scans_Daily.

First of all, apologies to [personal profile] nevermore999 for posting this from her LJ without asking first.

However, I really thought it was important enough to post.

Bill Willingham came in the panel, and ohmygod this really stupid guy bought up Steph, saying her death was poignant and he didn't think they should have bought her back because it was so important Batman kicked her to the curb and Leslie Thompkins (yes, he apparently liked THAT too) and Mom got all uncomfortable next to Willingham's credit, he shut the guy down, saying the death was never his plan and he actually argued for Steph to live. Sattler said he wasn't around for it, and that the fans are really into Steph, and that he thinks it's important they redeemed Leslie Thompkins. Then Willingham had to ruin everything and say, and I swear to God this is a direct quote "I wanted to gun down those girls who kept asking about the (Steph's) memorial case."

My jaw just dropped open. I knew from interviews and shit that Willingham was an asshole- and I'm sorry, he is, for mocking people at panels, and mocking men for daring to cry over a comic book death- but that is just a creepy as fuck thing to say. I raised my hand and I wanted to say "Willingham, you're an asshole" but instead I just told him a) I hated Stephanie's death and b) You shouldn't want to gun people down for being passionate about a character.

Backpedaling time! No, see, those silly girls were just distracting from important issues at panels by asking the same question over and over again, andandand they just don't understanf how the comics industry works and then, I swear to god, he word for word said the "being hated is almost as good" quote. He DID. He and Sattler telled me that when fans hate a story, it's almost as good as if they love it, because at least they care.

So let me just lift the Internet veil for a minute. I am/was a journalist and I used to be a crime/court reporter. In my four years working for three different Canadian newspapers, I reported on a lot of incidents of violence against women. One of those was a four-part series on the high rate of domestic violence in a small community, for which I was nominated for a National Newspaper Award. So trust me when I say I have seen what violence against women does and how important a topic like this is to me.
So yeah, this comment disturbs me on many levels. It is truly an indefensible comment and the fact that it was made in a public venue with little discourse is disturbing. Serious props to [personal profile] nevermore999 for standing up to Willingham and pointing out his incredibly horrific and misogynistic comment. Young impressionable boys buy these comics and that writers who write them actually think these things and then say them outloud in a public venue is shocking to say the very least.


Re: he shouldn't have said that

Date: 2010-06-11 01:22 am (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (marvel: patsy walker glamour)
From: [personal profile] skalja
I honestly think that the women who asked about the memorials -- and maybe even the rest of the Project Girl Wonder fans who sent in letters and postcards -- should make a point of politely introducing themselves to Bill Willingham as one of the women he fantasized about murdering.

Petty? Very possibly. Epic? Most certainly.

Re: he shouldn't have said that

Date: 2010-06-11 02:26 am (UTC)
bluejaybirdie: stylized Robin!Steph (Default)
From: [personal profile] bluejaybirdie
Heh, I was just talking to Nev and said something similar, albeit less polite and more confrontational XD

Re: he shouldn't have said that

Date: 2010-06-11 03:10 am (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (marvel: nomad)
From: [personal profile] skalja
I think it's important to be polite in this hypothetical scenario for two reasons:

1) The moral high ground.
2) The point of the exercise, to my mind, would be to force Bill Willingham to acknowledge the reality and humanity of the women he says he fantasized about killing - to make him realize that his off-the-cuff remarks weren't targeted towards an amorphous blob but real individuals. It's harder to dismiss people when they're being nice to you.

Re: he shouldn't have said that

Date: 2010-06-11 03:20 am (UTC)
bluejaybirdie: stylized Robin!Steph (Default)
From: [personal profile] bluejaybirdie
I would go that route IRL, I was pretty much just joking around. Honestly, authority figures tend to make me nervous so I'd probably fall back on calling him "sir" and be almost over-polite (unless I was well and truly angry, and it takes a lot to get me there).


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