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No icon ragey enough. This one feels cold and bitter, which is appropriate enough.

A little under two pages from Birds of Prey #2.





With all the fail going 'round at DC lately, the last thing I needed this week was Gail Simone killing gays (even if he pulled the trigger himself). I don't even know anymore.

This shit better be a fake-out because I'm out of patience for Brightest Day and DC in general. I'm gonna go drown my sorrows in Pet Avengers. :(

Date: 2010-06-17 05:19 am (UTC)
mad: Ted will just have to marry Booster Gold, Milagro says (Ted will have to marry Booster Gold)
From: [personal profile] mad
I was upset, but I wasn't outraged as king homo of gaytown

What?

I guess I just think Gail Simone is the last person in all of DC to have any vendetta against her own gay characters.

I haven't read the issue in full yet, so I don't really want to comment on the story yet, but I have to say that it's entirely possible for someone to write a problematic scene or story without having a "vendetta" against a character belonging marginalized group of people.

Furthermore, a reader can have a negative reaction to a comic or take away a meaning from it that a creator never intended. Intentions don't always matter.

Gail Simone is a good writer and has done a lot to better the DCU, but that doesn't exempt her from criticism. Just because we love her doesn't mean we can't get upset with her sometimes. (Not that scans_daily is a hivevaginamind.)

Date: 2010-06-17 05:37 am (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
Hives. My god.

Date: 2010-06-17 05:57 am (UTC)
mad: Ollie, in his natural state of being (Ollie in his natural state)
From: [personal profile] mad
HAHAHAHA, oh dear god, "Bees. My God." + "Hive-vagina" = some hilarious and fucked up mental imagery, let me tell you. I am dying over here.

Date: 2010-06-17 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kiwibird
Obligatory link is obligatory.

http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20040121.html

*hums quietly*

Date: 2010-06-17 10:45 pm (UTC)
mad: I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN! (Default)
From: [personal profile] mad
Oh man. Queen of Wands. I forgot about that comic.

Date: 2010-06-17 02:30 pm (UTC)
joasakura: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joasakura
wait, wait. You have to couple that with "YOUR VAGINA IS HAUNTED!"

Date: 2010-06-17 10:47 pm (UTC)
mad: (Batman)
From: [personal profile] mad
"You have to get out of here! YOUR HIVE-VAGINA IS HAUNTED! WITH BEES!"
"Bees. My God."

Date: 2010-06-17 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gailsimone
"Gail Simone is a good writer and has done a lot to better the DCU, but that doesn't exempt her from criticism"

You are absolutely correct and I am not at all offended by any of these posts, and I agree with
quite a lot of them.

And I totally understand why people are upset. But the story is only half over.

Date: 2010-06-17 09:52 pm (UTC)
lencannon: shy guy (Default)
From: [personal profile] lencannon
Everyone is allowed to be upset. Don't take this the wrong way, but I feel like I don't have to be lectured about gay and lesbian bias in the media. I was just presenting my reading of the particular issue.

First, I am generally less offended when a creator puts their toys back in the box. It would be terrible for someone to kill all off all of a team forever, but when Peter Milligan does it to X-Statix it doesn't have the same sting.

Second, I just have a hard time being outraged at Gail Simone for killing a gay character because I feel like she has been one of the most inclusive writers in either Marvel or DC. I do understand the concern every time a minority character dies and it literally decimates their representation in a universe. But I also feel comfortable with the knowledge that if Birds of Prey kills one minority character, chances are that we'll see two new ones in the future.

And finally, I was (perhaps not obviously) referring to MYSELF as king homo of gaytown, not another poster. Queer spotted, etc.

Date: 2010-06-17 10:41 pm (UTC)
mad: I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN! (Default)
From: [personal profile] mad
And finally, I was (perhaps not obviously) referring to MYSELF as king homo of gaytown, not another poster.

Ah, okay, that's a relief. I honestly couldn't tell if you making a joke or if you were actually

Second, I just have a hard time being outraged at Gail Simone for killing a gay character because I feel like she has been one of the most inclusive writers in either Marvel or DC.

That's totally fine. I was just objecting to the insinuation that people expressing outrage/upset all believe that she has a vendetta, or that a creator can only write hurtful things when they have a vendetta.

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