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So, quick recap. Kraven's family killed Spider-Man to resurrect Kraven. Turns out they killed Kaine instead, so now Kraven's stuck in a "living death"--unable to die unless at the hands of Spider-Man. So Kraven's pissed off at his family, needless to say.

Sasha Kravinoff slits Madame Web's throat. In her dying moments, Web transfers her psychic abilities to Arachne.

That's right. Spidey just tore off her face. Granted, it's not as if she didn't have it coming, but... Spidey just tore off her face.

So Arachne (is that what she's called?) shows how Spidey killing Kraven will essentially destroy him and turn him into a monster. Granted, I can imagine it being a slippery slope, but Kraven's essentially in a state of suffering and "living death" against his will, so would putting him out of his misery be that much off a horrible thing?

Somehow I think J. M. DeMatteis is saying the same exact thing as Kraven right now.

So later, the Spider crew visit Kaine's grave. Arachne's blind and the new Madam Web, and now Arana has taken her place (wearing her Arachne's costume). Only she still wants to be called Arana, saying that the name "Spider-Girl" is "corny and makes you want to puke".  Nice.

Kraven and his family escape to the Savage Land to rebuild his family. Sasha wants nothing to do with it, calling Kraven a coward. Kraven snaps her neck.  Alyosha flees. Kraven's daughter stays with him, and to prove herself she goes off to hunt and kill Alyosha. And thus the story ends.

EDIT: Turns out I was wrong. The very last page shows Kaine rising from his grave as some mutated Tarantula-man. Yeahbuhwhah?

And somewhere, J. M. DeMatteis is probably drinking himself into a stupor now.
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Date: 2010-07-14 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Peter...tore off someone's face? That...that actually happened?

Date: 2010-07-14 09:50 pm (UTC)
milleniumrex: (Default)
From: [personal profile] milleniumrex
Looks like just the very top layer of skin. When we saw her shortly after, she had a hand-print shaped red scar on her face, but her face overall looked like it was intact.

Also, it was weird. Arachne sure looked like she could see when she approached Peter right after getting her powers, but then suddenly she was blind afterwards.

Date: 2010-07-14 09:52 pm (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Why do I expect drinking yourself into a stupor is the best way to read this?

Date: 2010-07-14 09:55 pm (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax
He did this to Norman too. He more than likely applies enough stickiness to his hand to pull away some skin to cause pain and nothing else.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hybrid2
What the hell is a flashpots?

What a awfull storie.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:03 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Lawyer doing a phone call. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
and then Kaine had to go shopping for some pointy shoes.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:04 pm (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Stage magic, basically those things that shoot light and smoke to cover entrances and exits.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:05 pm (UTC)
ext_423749: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
Yep Kraven has been ruined for all time
Good job Marvel

Date: 2010-07-14 10:07 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Flashpots are special-FX devices which uses a sturdy pot of flash powder (like they used in camera flashbulbs back in the day) and which, as seen here, explode with a very bright light, but usually little in the way of actual concussion.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:07 pm (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax
Awesome thanks for that revive there guys. I'm so glad we just shit on a classic story so we could have this wonderful ending.

Awesome next we get to find out about why MJ and Peter broke up. I hope the hijnx there are just wacky enough for my taste.

~puts on spinning tie, rocks out to 'Power of Love'~

Date: 2010-07-14 10:07 pm (UTC)
lencannon: shy guy (Default)
From: [personal profile] lencannon
like a flash bang.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:11 pm (UTC)
sherkahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sherkahn
More like a skin scrape actually. I've got a scar on my chin from when my face hit monkey bars and scared a lot of teacher's aides into puking right in front of me. Trust me, torn off faces continue to bleed, and at worst it looks like Sasha scraped her face in some sand.

Oh, more spoilers....... you missed something.

Kaine Parker of Earth. Rise.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:13 pm (UTC)
sherkahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sherkahn
Flashpots: A writing device that lets wounded bad guys who aren't strong enough to continue to move, let alone fight get away and heroes look like idiots just standing there.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:17 pm (UTC)
sherkahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sherkahn
That's the true blesssing of Death in Marvel 616. She keeps you safely out of lame stories.

I like to think that this pretender is like a Black Lantern. The body and memories and powers are there, but not the spirit. The true Kraven is still dead and loving it.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:17 pm (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax
For fucks sakes.

Really ? Fucking really?

This is beyond fucking stupid. This spider totem bullshit was the worst fucking part of Romita's run and no one wanted a god damn encore. He got bit by a god damn radioactive spider, we don't need a god damn mythology up in it. Stop trying to make this shit deeper than it has to be.

I mean, are we going to have long story line where Black Cat becomes a werecat and starts stealing cream and laying on peoples keyboards? Jesus.

Look at this god damn writing. Look at it. Stop writing like this please. "Nothing truly dies on Earth. There is balance"/ Stop trying to be deep when you can't do it. This is Spider-Man for fucks sakes.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:18 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie

*looks around cautiously*

i kinda.... liked this story.... and this is coming from someone who hates the direction that spider-man has gone...

i think this story could have been even better, if lets say... Spider-man and MJ were still married, because then you know... his family (not just his spider family... which i kinda like it being called)..... vs Kraven's family.

that said... i still hate BND

Date: 2010-07-14 10:21 pm (UTC)
doc_destructo: (bloody fist)
From: [personal profile] doc_destructo
Call me old fashioned, but if you're not sure you won after the bad guys kill a handful of your friends and escape... it's because you didn't win. Not by a long shot.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:21 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
also... i liked the spider totem story.

whats wrong with searching for a deeper meaning.

i mean, if the radioactive spider had been anyone BUT Peter Parker, that person would not have the kind of moral upbringing that caused peter to choose to be a Hero.

why can't peter have been MEANT to be spider-man, it does not take away from the story, but adds to it.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:22 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i also th ink he took her eyes....

Date: 2010-07-14 10:23 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
well they didn't loose, the goal was to Kill spider-man and destroy the web, but peter survived and the web, though damaged, has been reformed.

call it a pyrrich victory

Date: 2010-07-14 10:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sir_mikael
Seeing-the-future-blindness has basically never been real blindness in the marvel universe.

Date: 2010-07-14 10:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] protogarrett
I liked this story (except for Madame Web dying AGAIN, and giving her powers to Arachne whose original powers depend on her seeing, but now she is blind and semi-psychic as well).

Date: 2010-07-14 10:26 pm (UTC)
sir_mikael: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sir_mikael
Ooookay what is with this story and switching characters names around?

Date: 2010-07-14 10:27 pm (UTC)
ext_396524: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
Phew. I've been worried about Julia.
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