Amazing Spider-Man #638

[flint_marko]

This is from Amazing Spider-Man #638 by Quesada and Paolo Rivera.


On the day of their wedding, Peter gets knocked out fighting the criminal from the first look who was released from the cop's car by the red bird.

Comments

Re: Guilt trip

[cyberghostface]

How is it a stretch?

Mephisto says "Had you been married, this would be your daughter. Now your daughter will never be."

So therefore, the fact they have no children post-OMD is a direct response to Pete's deal with Mephisto.

Re: Guilt trip

[fredneil.livejournal.com]

He's Mephisto. You don't take his word at face value for anything. That was him trying to twist the knife a little bit. All he's really saying is that this vision he's shown them-which may or may not be true-will never be. It doesn't prevent them from having children with other people, nor does it mean they won't have a son. I'm not sure it even means they won't have a different daughter.

Re: Guilt trip

[cyberghostface]

So if Pete or MJ have children in the future, then we'll know Mephisto was lying. Until then...

Re: Guilt trip

[fredneil.livejournal.com]

You mean he deserves the benefit of the doubt until then? If he's so benign, then what's wrong with Peter making a deal with him in the first place?

Re: Guilt trip

[cyberghostface]

Except Mephisto hasn't lied. He may conveniently leave something out, for example--like when he rescued Ghost Rider's father, he didn't tell him that he would die later--as a way to fuck the person over. Not telling Peter who the little girl was is a prime example of that.

And it would be much, much crueler for Mephisto to twist the knife in Peter with something that is true--that Peter's actions have destroyed the life of his future child--as opposed to simply lying and pulling something out of his ass.

Re: Guilt trip

[fredneil.livejournal.com]

Except Mephisto hasn't lied. He may conveniently leave something out, for example--like when he rescued Ghost Rider's father, he didn't tell him that he would die later--as a way to fuck the person over. Not telling Peter who the little girl was is a prime example of that.

Perfect example. He didn't say that the father would die later and he didn't tell Peter that the daughter could be born later. ("Your daughter" could very easily mean "the daughter you two would have together," not "any possible daughter either of you could have.") Since nowhere was it said that both Peter and MJ would become sterile as a result, and since they've both been shown to have healthy dating lives, there's no reason to believe that future children are out of the question.

Looking at it outside the narrative, you and I both know that Peter would never have a daughter in 616, no matter what. In effect, he was telling someone who was blind from birth, "from now on, you won't be able to see."

Re: Guilt trip

[wizardru]

20 years ago, you and I would both know that Spiderman would never get married, too. Or for that matter that Lois Lane would ever actually find out Superman's secret identity and eventually also get married to him. There are no absolutes in comics. It's really not that hard to believe that Spiderman would have had a daughter, eventually...especially given that there's been comics featuring him having a daughter in the future. It's distinctly possible...or was, at any rate.

Re: Guilt trip

[fredneil.livejournal.com]

Fair enough (Though, 20 years ago, Spider-Man was already married and I think Superman and Lois were at least engaged. They had already been married on Earth 2), but why would it be less possible now?

Because Mary Jane is Peter's only true love? 40 years ago, if anyone told you that Mary Jane would replace Gwen in Peter's life, you would have laughed.

Re: Guilt trip

[tsunamiwombat]

I feel it's worth pointing out that the spirit of May herself told Peter to let her go.

ALSO, SHE'S LIKE 98, HOW LONG CAN SHE BE HAPPILY MARRIED? PETER YOU GODDAMN DINGLEBERRY!