scans_daily: Astonishing X-Men #35

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@ 2010-08-26 08:31 am UTC

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creator: phil jimenez, creator: warren ellis, title: astonishing x-men

Astonishing X-Men #35

This is from Astonishing X-Men #35 by Warren Ellis and Phil Jimenez

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	no subject korvarthefox.livejournal.com 2010-08-26 12:47 pm UTC (link)
	He should be going after the Hulk, too, and all the other gamma-irradiated folks who got neato superpowers instead of, well, ending up like him. Or dead, for that matter. In a way, he's the strange one, expecting biology to work in the way it does in our world, instead of the way it clearly does in 616. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject point5b.livejournal.com 2010-08-27 12:13 am UTC (link)
	Well, it demonstrably is working for him the way it does in our world. :) But yeah, it's a bizarre thing for Ellis to mix in real-world medicine and Marvel's brand of bat-science. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject hybrid2 2010-08-26 12:49 pm UTC (link)
	except for the wanting to kill them part,the man as a point. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject seriousfic 2010-08-26 12:55 pm UTC (link)
	Has anyone ever crucified his friends on his front lawn? If not, he should probably take a number. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject espanolbot 2010-08-26 12:56 pm UTC (link)
	Eh, considering how their leader runs roving deathsquads I think that the killing them part can largely be allowed to slide. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject fifthie 2010-08-28 09:58 pm UTC (link)
	It's a shame that they put that point into the mouth of the villain, making it yet another "ugly mutant = evil" story, just like the ten million other such stories in the X-Men's history. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject seriousfic 2010-08-26 12:56 pm UTC (link)
	I'm a little amused that Wolverine is in this scene. "Hey, bub, canonically I should be 5'5 and look like Danny DeVito knocked up a coyote!" (Reply to this)

	no subject espanolbot 2010-08-26 12:57 pm UTC (link)
	You know Emma, you ignoring that guy's points doesn't help his (somewhat) accurate interpretation of you lot. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 33 comments) (Show 33 comments)

	no subject nezchan 2010-08-26 01:08 pm UTC (link)
	Actually, the bulk of his points come down to "you're pretty and I'm not and I'm jealous". So I'm not all that sympathetic. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 31 comments) (Show 31 comments)

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	no subject crinos 2010-08-26 01:09 pm UTC (link)
	True, but then again, Emma is a total bitch, so that's probably how she interpenetrates things as well. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject warpedhand 2010-08-26 01:15 pm UTC (link)
	Mutant is biologically an inaccurate term, as basically everyone is a mutant in one way or another? Why thank you Warren Ellis, I never would have noticed that! Seriously, a better way to have done this would have been to have Beast make a joke about how much he hates the term mutant as a scientist. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject majingojira 2010-08-26 07:32 pm UTC (link)
	Every human being alive is born with over a hundred mutations, and we gain a hundred more as we grow up. Science is awesome that way. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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sir_mikael
2010-08-27 06:04 pm UTC (link)

I've wanted Beast to go on a chatshow and clear these things up forever. Cus that's the sort of thing he'd do. For instance he could mention that the term Homo Sapiens Superior was coined by the terrorist Magneto* and that they're all human in the end. Sigh. As of Endangered Species mutants are a separate species though.

*Term possibly retconned to be older by now I guess.

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pallas_athena
2010-08-26 01:21 pm UTC (link)

*Sigh* Yes, the guy's got a point.

Yes, bringing a darker, grittier, more "realistic" interpretation of what a mutant is face-to-face with the pretty and colourful X-Men is a very, very good story device, and I'm glad it's being done.

...But all I can hear here is Ellis making a point, Ellis saying something Ellis has always wanted to say. Ellis CAN be a good writer, but I like him least when he grandstands. Yes, he's got some valid and witty things to say-- but all the fun drains out of a story when any given character can become a glove-puppet with the rhetorical Hand Of Ellis unavoidably visible up its arse.

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	no subject nezchan 2010-08-26 01:27 pm UTC (link)
	That's the thing. There are conventions in superhero comics, and the X-Men have had to fit into those conventions over the years. In the same way that a realistic face looks awful on a cartoon body, dark-and-gritty doesn't really work in a colourful hero book like this one. Hell, the 90's should have taught us that. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2010-08-26 03:14 pm UTC (link)
	I don't really see any grandstanding due to author's intent--that's more because the actual character needed to rant. If it was author's intent, I think they would have felt his point, or something, but Emma puts the guy down (and if any character is Ellis' voice, it's her) and Scott decides to kill him with kindness. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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	no subject starwolf_oakley 2010-08-26 02:13 pm UTC (link)
	Remember what I said about "Woobier than thou"? Bingo. Also, some fans and creator have been trying to justify "Everyone loves the Fantastic Four but hates the X-Men" for decades. (Reply to this)

	A play in one act. equinox216 2010-08-26 02:23 pm UTC (link)
	I was all "Are we sure this is Ellis?" but I got to "Years and years of murder science." and then I was sure this was Ellis. exeunt (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	Re: A play in one act. darkknightjrk 2010-08-26 03:15 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, I loved that "Murder Science" line too. Vintage Ellis. :D (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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stig
2010-08-26 02:59 pm UTC (link)

While we're at it, when is Marvel going to stop pushing it that Mutants are a 'species'? The criteria per se are vague, of course, but I'm pretty sure that they don't pass all of them. If anything, they're a series of mutations of the human genome.

Crucially, I don't think they're a species until it's demonstrable that a large population of them have the same physiological/morphological and/or behavioural differences from humans. Like, for instance, if there were lots of large blue cat-people. Or if the children of Beak & Angel in "New X-Men" had themselves produced offspring which only looked like fly-winged bird-people.

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	no subject shadowpsykie 2010-08-26 03:26 pm UTC (link)
	well i think its a mutation of the same part of the gene, the mutation itself is different, but the gene is the same one that is effected. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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protogarrett
2010-08-26 03:13 pm UTC (link)

All that and this is the payoff? Hmm... at first I was upset at how shallow it was but, actually, from a sociological standpoint, I get it and I'm okay with it. A little bit knock you over the head though, the writers critiquing the comics industry itself is nice. Really, would we read a comic with sub-par looking characters? No, pretty sells and he has a point. Mutants do seem to have a tendency to look good.

Still, this villain, with all his genius and money at NO point decided to study a way to make himself look good or, maybe, just see a damn plastic surgeon? Maybe live with the Morlocks, and have Masque fix him up? I dunno...

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	no subject nezchan 2010-08-26 03:18 pm UTC (link)
	This is true, there's enough super-science (some of which he's apparently invented) that could go a long way towards fixing him up just dandy. And he's certainly got the smarts to be a big success himself. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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	no subject tacobob 2010-08-26 04:10 pm UTC (link)
	I just love Wolvie's comments about the "WHEELCHAIR OF DEATH!" (Reply to this)

	no subject nickfury90 2010-08-26 05:54 pm UTC (link)
	Phil Jimenez draws the prettiest superheroes ^_^ (Reply to this)

	no subject halloweenjack 2010-08-26 05:56 pm UTC (link)
	This asshole needs five minutes with Ben Grimm. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject proteus_lives 2010-08-27 03:47 am UTC (link)
	Much motto. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject thanekos 2010-08-26 10:08 pm UTC (link)
	patents by the age of 16? sounds like someone's got a case of superhuman intelligence. (or drive.) (Reply to this)

	no subject proteus_lives 2010-08-27 03:48 am UTC (link)
	So basically, he hates himself and is directing that rage to an target. No tears here. (Reply to this)

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