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Greetings True Believers!

I have even more Captain America awesome for you. This time from Daredevil # 233. This issue has so much awesome Steve in it that the mere act of holding it makes you want to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and fight Nazis.

Also, early Frank Miller, before his "whores! whores! whores!" period.


Daredevil is fighting the insane government super-soldier, Nuke, on the streets of Hell's Kitchen. He's defeated him and there is massive destruction and the Avengers show-up. The narration belongs to Ben Urich.

I love the writing and that sad-Cap panel needs to be an icon.

The next day Matt is at a church when Cap catches up to him. Matt races him to the roof.

Awww, Cap needs a hug. Any volunteers?

Steve goes to the government and demands answers but they stonewall him

Blam! That is Cap's POV and motivation in it's purest form.

Later Nuke escapes and goes on a rampage. He meets the Captain and this sequence had to be shared.

Bonus Cap!

Cap shows his respect. He-he.

I love this issue so HARD!

Date: 2010-08-28 05:56 am (UTC)
neev: Be Yourself Until You Bleed (Default)
From: [personal profile] neev
Oh my god, is this something that Frank Miller touched that doesn't fill me with rage? ...I'm so confused.

Really loving the art. That panel of Thor at the top is fucking' awesome. Likewise the energy and sense of motion in the bottom panel is fantastic.

Date: 2010-08-28 01:19 pm (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Notice how none of those soldiers are clones of each other? Nobody's arms, legs, head, posture, attitude, are the same. That's good work, right there.

Date: 2010-08-28 04:04 pm (UTC)
neev: Be Yourself Until You Bleed (Default)
From: [personal profile] neev
Oh, I noticed all right. Really is good work.

...I am however somewhat bothered by Cap's TINY HEAD in just about every panel. IT'S SO TINY.

Date: 2010-08-28 04:09 pm (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Presumably that's to make his body look bigger. It's an old trick, and you can see it in a lot of Hulk stuff.

Date: 2010-08-28 04:12 pm (UTC)
neev: Be Yourself Until You Bleed (Default)
From: [personal profile] neev
I'm not falling for it. :B

Date: 2010-08-29 12:09 am (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
David Mazzucchelli, ladies and germs.

Date: 2010-08-28 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ebailey140
Oh my god, is this something that Frank Miller touched that doesn't fill me with rage? ...I'm so confused.

Miller was one of the best in the business before his fetishes took control. Back in the early to mid-80s, he and John Byrne really were all that. Sad to see what they became.

Date: 2010-08-28 06:12 pm (UTC)
neev: Be Yourself Until You Bleed (Default)
From: [personal profile] neev
Yeah, I was introduced to comics late, so while I knew that, in theory, at some point, Frank Miller must have done some quality work to be so popular, I've...never seen it before now. And honestly I expected his "good" work to be something that didn't appeal to me anyway, regardless of quality, because of how he turned out later.

Date: 2010-08-28 07:25 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
In that case, oh, please do check out this--DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN--and his other collaboration with the artist, BATMAN: YEAR ONE, both of which I hold in my top five comics of all time list. I dearly miss this Frank Miller.

Date: 2010-08-29 12:41 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (dead waynes shock)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Frank Miller wrote year one.....?

okay... i am sooo not a newbie. but i didnt know that......

and his pre fame fetish work WAS really good, and that makes me sad...

his captain america is so... thoughtful and emotive.... there is really love and care put into his does not compute... does not compute, does not compute, does not compute....

Date: 2010-08-29 05:14 am (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
You didn't know that??? hahaha, well, considering Miller today, I suppose I can understand that! YO and DD:BA are both wonderfully nuanced crime stories rich with humanity and power, so much so that even the stuff which may later seem like Miller stereotypes (Selina reimagined as a prostitute, Karen Page turned into a heroin-addicted porn star) can be accepted because, well, the stories are just that great.

Bear in mind, I say this as someone who dislikes THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS more and more with each passing year. Those two are still near-perfect comics. I say near-perfect because, well... let me put it this way: the chapter these scans are from? I actually consider this to be some of the weakest parts of the whole story. Just to put things in perspective.

Date: 2010-08-28 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] keeva
I love it when Cap wears his shield like a backpack. That is all.

Date: 2010-08-28 10:10 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
This is why I miss Frank Miller.

Yes, I know he's still around. I stand by my statement.

I've always loved sad Cap there in the "piece of cloth" bit. You should have also included the "atomic fire" sequence, where Miller explains the real tragedy of there only being one Cap: if not for that, maybe no Bomb. The sadness, but stoicity, of Cap is, I think, if he's to work in the modern world, always has to be at least a background rhythm to any writing of the character, and Miller nails the essence of that. It makes his lack of subtlety later on seem all the more grating: this is very mature, high-level writing.

Date: 2010-08-28 11:39 am (UTC)
tammy_moore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tammy_moore
The sad face is a bit undermined by the fact Matt is blind though. I mean, he presumably really didn't notice. And since they know Daredevil is Matt, presumably they know Matt is blind?

Date: 2010-08-28 12:03 pm (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
The sad face and hung head are for us, not Matt. And at the time, some knew he was Matt, but Cap was not among them; he was not tight with the Avengers. He knows this is a guy with red hair, who is Daredevil, but not that he's Matt Murdock. (Remember, in this period he basically looks like a bum) It was mostly Natasha, Elektra, and not a lot of others. And no one who didn't know he was Matt knew he was blind; how Daredevil did what he did was a secret he kept very closely. In this story the Kingpin did not reveal his ID, but rather exploited it.

Date: 2010-08-28 10:04 pm (UTC)
jkcarrier: me, at my old office (Default)
From: [personal profile] jkcarrier
Unless they knew the specifics of his origin, I think most people would assume that Daredevil just pretends to be blind in his civilian identity.

Date: 2010-08-28 12:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ninjapeps
I really pity those MPs that have to tell Cap he's not allowed to do something. you can just tell how conflicted they are.

Date: 2010-08-28 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Oh yes, back when Frank Miller was good.

Now he's a joke, but he really was fantastic at one point. He's got his over-use of narrative captions down, but it's otherwise a very good sequence.

I can get behind this kind of Cap: The idealist who's still idealistic but maybe just a but alienated. Who tries his best, but in the end has a slightly different set of priorities to the young 'uns.

I think the difference here is that Miller presents us with Cap's POV, but he really doesen't make any judgement (unlike the earlier bit with the kid and his parents that was posted)

Date: 2010-08-28 02:19 pm (UTC)
filkertom: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filkertom
Born Again was a pretty awesome storyline anyway. But the Cap pages were specifically what I thought about when the whole Cap Rules/Sucks debate started the other day.

Date: 2010-08-28 02:24 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Cap rain)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
This was one of the earliest Marvel trades I read - and the Cap scenes are the only ones I remember clearly. I found his sense of responsibility towards Nuke really touching.

I liked Matt's thoughts on Cap's unique physiology, as well.

I was very disappointed with the turn Miller's work took later. :/

Date: 2010-08-28 04:30 pm (UTC)
cypherfdp: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cypherfdp
It makes me so upset that the same Frank Miller who wrote that line turned into...


Date: 2010-08-28 09:11 pm (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
It has actually gotten worse:

Date: 2010-08-28 07:49 pm (UTC)
ext_79087: robin-thighs (robin thighs)
From: [identity profile]
For a moment I thought the General was identifying the man in the paper as "Captain Pleasure" and I became shamefully intrigued.

Date: 2010-08-28 09:38 pm (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Captain Pleasure has a shield too, but his protects him from fatherhood.

Date: 2010-08-29 12:11 am (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
That last panel, where Cap holds half a dozen guys back just by bracing himself a little, rules so hard.

Date: 2010-08-29 03:46 pm (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Or on a smartphone, Tweeting. "@SallyFloyd: NASCAR SUX HA HA!!! brb fightin"

yeah, I know that Cap don't play that. Still funny.

Date: 2010-08-29 12:49 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Red Robin WTF (Red Robin WTF)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
this... was an amazing piece of work "Im not loyal to anything, except the Dream" does not sound in the least bit cheesy coming from him... and i literally choked up when he said "he wears the flag" i can feel the sadness in that panel. and the line that says "The voice a soldier who could command a god, and does..." so powerful... WTF Frank Miller!!!

Date: 2010-08-30 04:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradhanon
I know. This is some of the best Captain America ever written, and it's not even in his title. And yet today, if Frank Miller were to volunteer to write Cap, I would actually throw my body between him and the keyboard to stop him.

Date: 2010-08-29 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
This is pretty cool stuff, all right. Miller had a surprisingly good grasp on the Avengers - they're only here for a few pages, this isn't their book, but you feel the POWER of them very strongly here. That Thor panel, and the bit with Iron Man and the 'soft hum of circuitry' - that's a very nice detail that isn't often included. Powerful stuff. One wonders what he could have accomplished if he hadn't wound up drowning in grim-n'-gritty.

Date: 2010-08-30 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
It's basically way too easy, period. One of the reasons, I think, that there is so much grimness in comics today is that everyone has a dark side, and dipping into it is disquietingly easy and seductive. Basically, you could milk that side of things for basically forever, and never run out of material, but there is more to the human experience than that - a truly great writer, in my opinion, is one who never goes all the way over to one side or another without a healthy amount of the opposing theme. If you're writing a bright, happy story, add trace elements of darkness; if you're writing something grim and dark, for goodness sake add some cheerful elements. Alan Moore is a great example of this - look at 'Watchmen'. It's superficially a very dark piece of work indeed, but there are traces of humor and, indeed, hope scattered throughout - juxtaposed against Rorschach's grim nihilistic wanderings and Dr. Manhattan's increasing withdrawal from humanity is the emerging romance of Nite-Owl and Silk Specter. For that matter, take 'Tom Strong', probably the closest to a conventional superhero narrative that Moore's ever written - it's very upbeat, but there are subtle threads of darkness that run through the whole thing, and paradoxically make it MORE upbeat and hopeful, because they make it seem more REAL, and henceforth more believable - and by making the work as a whole seem believable, the hopeful aspects seem more believable as well. Truly great writing, in other words, is a balancing act - it gives you a little bit on both sides of the scale, not just one solid, overbalancing block.

Date: 2010-08-29 12:07 pm (UTC)
halialkers: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halialkers
I will admit that this is one of the crowning moments for Cap. "A voice that could command a God and does" and then that panel of that is definitely one of the best Miller stories.

Date: 2010-08-29 02:18 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
I miss 80s Frank Miller. He was untouchable in those times.

I'd say it all started going downhill with Sin City. I love Sin City, but it's not even remotely meant to be taken seriously. I love it for its parodying of noir.

But yeah, I'd say that's where Miller started to go a little nuts.

Or it could be from getting bitter over Hollywood's treatment over him. Robocop 3, anyone?

Date: 2010-08-29 06:06 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Supposedly, Sin City started as Miller venting his frustration over Robocop 2 and 3. Then it just kept going.


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