scans_daily: *Main Post* 30 Days of Scans! Day 17: Favourite legacy hero (Hero that took on a previous hero's id)

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@ 2010-09-01 11:53 am UTC

Main Post 30 Days of Scans! Day 17: Favourite legacy hero (Hero that took on a previous hero's id)

I was really waffling between Cass Cain, Steph Brown and Bart Allen on this one...

Soooooo

First, Steph Brown, who took on the Robin title and the Batgirl title.

And Cassandra Cain, who got Babs' OK to take on the Batgirl title.

I wish Cass and Steph could share the Batgirl role. :'(

And the awesomely hilarious Bart Allen who is now a Flash!

So S_D'ers, who's yours?

suggested tags: char: spoiler/robin/batgirl/steph brown, char: batgirl/cass cain, char: impulse/kid flash/bart allen, char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, series: 30 days of scans

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retro_nouveau
2010-09-01 04:15 pm UTC (link)

This one's kinda tough because I like people, and the ID doesn't really matter to me.

So I'll exclude Barry Allen since he didn't take over for Jay Garrick, really. I'll also exclude the Lanterns because they're all one big happy corps. I'll also exclude Dick, because Bruce is coming back. So...

Stephanie Brown (from Tim Drake and Cassandra Cain)

2. Ted Kord (from Dan Garrett), 3. Terry McGinnis (from Bruce Wayne), 4. Cassandra Cain (from Barbara Gordon), 5. Dan Dreiberg (from Hollis Mason), 6. Tim Drake (from Jason Todd), 7. Jason Todd (from Dick Grayson), 8. Wally West (from Barry Allen), 9. Holly Robinson (from Selina Kyle), 10. Jaime Reyes (from Ted Kord)

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	no subject darklorelei 2010-09-01 04:31 pm UTC (link)
	Jaime, no contest. (Reply to this)

	no subject curlyjo1 2010-09-01 04:42 pm UTC (link)
	Stargirl, (from Sylvester Pemberton and Jack Knight) This is really one where DC has far more than Marvel. Until lately, Marvel hasn't really done the legacy hero thing. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

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neuhallidae
2010-09-01 05:15 pm UTC (link)

Well, they've tried before, but the legacy characters tended to take on totally different names (Crusader after Freedom Ring for example) or get ignored for a long time until someone wanted to kill them off for cheap pathos (Rita DeMara as the second Yellowjacket, I'd say it looks like they're going away from that route, but then they went and killed/warped a whole host of legacy characters in Spider-Man after not using them in forever). The only one I can think of offhand who made any serious headway as a visible character was the Dane Whitman incarnation of the Black Knight, who took the costume to become a hero after his uncle died regretting that he'd spent his life being a villain in it. And even he's spent some pretty long periods off-panel.

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	no subject perletwo 2010-09-01 04:43 pm UTC (link)
	This is a tough one for a dc fan but i gotta go with jaime here. Unlike the batkids who i love, jaime's out there on his own without the benefit of mentoring by any of his predecessors but the legacy still matters to him. (Reply to this)

	no subject morgana006 2010-09-01 05:08 pm UTC (link)
	Most of my favorite characters are legacy heroes. But yeah, I'm going to have to go with Jaime Reyes. WWTKD? Indeed! (Reply to this)

	no subject kamino_neko 2010-09-01 05:22 pm UTC (link)
	I'm going to go with a dark horse candidate (as opposed to a Dark Horse candidate, since there's nobody what fits in what I know of DH's output, heh), and choose Arthur Joseph Curry, the second Aquaman. (Reply to this)

	no subject swatkat 2010-09-01 05:46 pm UTC (link)
	Cass and Steph tied. g (Reply to this)

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goblinthebamf
2010-09-01 05:52 pm UTC (link)

how many Marvel legacies are there?

Ben Reilly/Spider-Man and a few women who have taken the title Spider-Woman or Spider-Girl, but at least a couple of those women didn't take the title out of any relationship to each other or to Spider-Man... various successors to Steve Rogers' titles... I'm at a loss for others, I admit.

expanded to a broader definition, there are a lot of mentor/mentee relationships where someone takes a complimentary name and/or look to their mentor (various holders of Mjolnir, like Beta Ray Bill) and a lot of new generations of teams (X-Men, Avengers, New Mutants, Young Avengers)... but legacy characters of people who take both the exact name and at least the general look of someone who has retired or fallen in the Marvelverse?

I'll add the Arrow family, particularly Mia Dearden.

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neuhallidae
2010-09-01 06:19 pm UTC (link)

Hilariously, I think Hank Pym might have the most out of the Marvelverse strictly going by the original definition. Most of them even used prior codenames of his too.
- Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
- Ant-Man (Eric O'Grady), villain...still? He still in the Thunderbolts?
- Stature (Cassie Lang, who gets to be a legacy of a legacy, since she's Scott's kid)
- Goliath (Clint Barton during one of his non-Hawkeye phases)
- Goliath (Erik Josten), villain turned semi-hero
- Goliath (Bill Foster)
- Goliath (Tom Foster, also a legacy of a legacy, since he's Bill's nephew)
- Yellowjacket (Rita DeMara), villain turned hero

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	no subject yaseen101 2010-09-01 06:09 pm UTC (link)
	I think my choices are obvious................. (Reply to this)

	no subject bittercupojoe 2010-09-01 06:34 pm UTC (link)
	The modern Mr. Terrific, Michael Holt. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject kingrockwell 2010-09-01 10:54 pm UTC (link)
	That guy is great! Best jacket ever, also. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject grazzt 2010-09-01 06:46 pm UTC (link)
	Does it count if the previous hero had no real published adventures? If that's the case, I pick Promethea. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject leorising 2010-09-02 02:45 am UTC (link)
	Oo, interesting choice! She's a legacy in her own canon. Very nice! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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ebailey140
2010-09-01 07:26 pm UTC (link)

Stephanie Brown is my favorite, right now. I'm loving her as Batgirl. Of course, Barbara (who I also loved as Batgirl) is actually a Legacy character, too, since she wasn't actually the first Batgirl. We just always think of her as the first.

Same with Ted, my favorite Blue Beetle.

Wally West and Tim Drake are other favorites, having taken ownership of their roles.

Does Dick as Nightwing count?

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	A matter of race. nefrekeptah 2010-09-01 07:33 pm UTC (link)
	I know a lot of people here like Stephenie, but is anyone bothered by the fact that Cass, an Asian woman, was replaced by a white girl? Isn't that another example of DC knocking off it's minority superheroes and replacing them with often blue-eyed, blond haired Aryans? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	Re: A matter of race. benicio127 2010-09-01 07:41 pm UTC (link)
	No, it's not just you, a lot of people have been bothered by it; particularly the fact that Cass has been kicked off into limbo. (And then there was Ryan Choi's death, too) I like both characters, but it is very frustrating, I agree. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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star_of_airdrie
2010-09-01 07:34 pm UTC (link)

Oh, so many Legacies, so little time...

1. I think Dick as the Bat would be fine, with the added fun of Bruce coming back - even with the Batman Inc arc, it's gonna be awkward I'd imagine.

2. Cass Cain from Babs - she has such a cool and gripping backstory and evolution into the role.

3. Steph from Cass - fun with BTVS snarkiness and appeal

4. Tim from Jason - pre-Crisis approach but ending in a love story with Kon because the world needs it!

5. Jaime from Ted - last but not least

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	no subject aeolos_sakya 2010-09-01 07:41 pm UTC (link)
	How come nobody has mentioned Wally West? He's been an awesome Flash. There are also Kyle Rayner, Jaime Rayes, Steph, Cass, Bart, Tim Drake, and probably a few more I can't remember. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject retro_nouveau 2010-09-01 09:11 pm UTC (link)
	But I did mention Wally, he made retro's top 10... :D (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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newnumber6
2010-09-01 08:15 pm UTC (link)

Cass Cain for me.

I don't know what it is, she really shouldn't work, but she drew me in, and, as silly as it is, I loved the body-language/fighting-as-her-only-language conceit, and even once that was gone, that she actually had trouble with some of the simplest things, like reading, while she was an all-around ass-kicker in fighting. Of course, thanks to He Who Will Not Be Named, most of what was cool about her is gone, but I remain hopeful that somebody will just decide to do with his run what he did with the rest of Cain's history - completely ignore it.

And even going beyond the character herself... I love the costume. It's my absolute favorite batcostume. Even when Huntress was wearing it. I don't know, it's just so spooky and cool. She actually looks like she could inspire some kind of fear in Gotham criminals, whereas the other Batgirls (and Nightwing and Robin, and even Batman himself except at his most stylized) should really inspire laughter (until they've gotten their asses kicked a few times).

Don't get me wrong, I love Steph too... but I love her as Spoiler. Maybe even as Robin. As Batgirl... well, she's better than a healed Babs taking on the role, or some completely new person, but not by much. I want Spoiler as Spoiler (or again, Robin would be nice). Failing that, I'd love it if they do what was suggested and have two Batgirls at once. All signs point to them doing it for Batman.

I don't have a scan on it any am too hot to go looking (that is, the temperature is too high, but I'd like to believe I'm also too attractive to have to do it), but I absolutely love Shiva's 'eulogy' for Cass before carrying her to the Lazarus pit, after she died saving somebody else and refusing to kill. "Heroes are forever. The rest of us are just part of the story." It's one of my favorite all-time comic moments.

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retro_nouveau
2010-09-02 02:03 am UTC (link)

Motto on reasons to love Cass. And motto on the most practical bat costume ever. Of all the Batkids, there might be better detectives, planners, strategists, technicians, drivers, interrogators, information analysts, riddle solvers, acrobats, escape artists, public relations specialists... but Cass owns hand-to-hand and stealth forever.

And I loved reading I want Spoiler as Spoiler... aaand let's stop the quote right there. :) Seems like most other Steph fans are totally cool with the purple --um, I mean eggplant-- stripes on the bat costume... :(

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	no subject nezchan 2010-09-01 10:33 pm UTC (link)
	Hmm, most of the sort of things I read (European stuff, webcomics, some manga) don't really lend themselves to legacies. As interesting as it would be to see a child of Valérian and Laureline having adventures or some such. Although if Aux Sources Du Z remains canon, then Spirou is his own legacy character! (Reply to this)

	no subject kingrockwell 2010-09-01 10:52 pm UTC (link)
	This one's really no surprise. Haters to the left. That includes you, Darwyn Cooke. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject benicio127 2010-09-02 02:28 am UTC (link)
	I think you might need a new Renee staple photo by the time the 30 days are up. ;) *edited for spelling fail (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject sinorhizobium 2010-09-01 11:19 pm UTC (link)
	1. Dick (from Bruce) 2. Damien (from Tim) 3. Tim (from Jason and Dick) 4. Wally (from Barry) 5. Cass (from Babs) 6. Steph (from Cass) (Reply to this)

	no subject big_daddy_d 2010-09-02 12:06 am UTC (link)
	Damian Wayne Tim Drake Dick Grayson (as Batman) Terry McGinnis Stephanie Brown Cassandra Cain Mia Dearden Renee Montoya Kate Kane (don't know if she really counts but there was a Batwoman before her) May "Mayday" Parker Lian Harper (what? Just waiting for DC to bring her back for her to live on to be awesome) (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject benicio127 2010-09-02 02:24 am UTC (link)
	Damn, forgot Mia! Her too. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject uadlika 2010-09-02 12:39 am UTC (link)
	All that have been mentioned here are awesome, but my favorite would have to be the Black Canary, Dinah Laurel Lance. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject ebailey140 2010-09-02 01:28 am UTC (link)
	Oh yeah, I forgot she was a retroactive Legacy character. She spent her first couple of decades in the JLA as the original Black Canary. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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sleepymax
2010-09-02 01:03 am UTC (link)

Wally West and Tim Drake. Easily the best two characters to hold there legacy's mantle. Two of my all-time favorite characters.

It's pretty sad that Wally has pretty much no role now. Tim Drake has also been gone through quite a bit. I feel like his current identity is sorta awkward to watch and wasn't thoroughly planned out. IMO, I feel like he should Bruce's successor as Batman(if there has to be).

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suzene
2010-09-02 02:10 am UTC (link)

First and foremost:

Kate Spencer, who took up the Manhunter title:

Not always likable (seems to be a recurring trend in my fave characters), but she doesn't know the meaning of the word quit. Bonus points for a great supporting cast, and for her son Ramsey, who'll go on the take up the Manhunter mantle himself (we can hope).

Runner up: Jaime Reyes (current Blue Beetle). I'd like to say to say something nice about Ted Grant's kid, but he'd have to develop a personality first.

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	no subject tzipwich 2010-09-02 06:47 am UTC (link)
	Kate Bishop (Hawkeye). (Reply to this)

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psychopathicus_rex
2010-09-02 07:52 am UTC (link)

I guess I'm gonna have to go with Kyle Rayner. It's been pointed out that the Lanterns are a group with members chosen on merit, not a lineage, so this may not count, but remember, for a while there Kyle was the ONLY Green Lantern after Hal pretty much singlehandedly trashed the rest of the Corps. During that period, he pretty much WAS the Green Lantern legacy, so I'd say he counts. Anyway, he was the guy wearing the ring while I was first getting into comics, so he's the guy I think of when I think of Green Lantern. There are plenty of other legacy characters I like, mind you, but Kyle's the guy I think of when I hear the term, so... yeah. I'm goin' with him.

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