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This is an extension of the Identity Crisis conversation that is sort of derailing the discussion of costume choices and Robin asses in a post below this.

Essentially, this is a general hate thread. It can be an event, character, moment, retcon, or other annoyance that makes you annoyed or want to smack a passerby.

Let's get it started (on a saturday night, everybody's waitin for me to arrive-)

"Hi I'm Superboy Prime. I could have been an interesting character. I could have represented the eventual death and decay of a more innocent time and become a very powerful and interesting villain. But motherfucker I do not roll that way. I like to spend my days being a whiny prick who spouts off dialogue that you'd find in a Naruto/Harry Potter fanfic. I like long walks on the beach, being a dickbag, and annoying every single reader by being ultra powerful AND astonishingly badly written. Oh, and I'm also in your dimension! I live in my basement trolling comics forums. Hell yeah bitches, I'm so. fucking. Bad. Ass."

Let's just get it out of the way. One More Day and Brand New Day were bad ideas. Very bad ideas. They have turned out waves of people who hate Spider-Man and everything associated with him. They were badly written, badly thought out and are just generally the worst thing to happen to Spider-Man since Joe Quesada realized he hated that dang MJ lady.

Also Identity Crisis isn't that bad.

Date: 2010-09-13 02:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kirayoshi
Since OMD/OMIT/SSDD was already taken, I'd go with the second most screwed up way of writing off a marriage in comic book history; undoing Johnny Storm's marriage to Alicia Masters by revealing that she was a Skrull all along! Why was this stupid? Let me count the ways!

1) Johnny and Alicia, IMO, made a believable couple. John Byrne recognized that Alicia's releationship with Ben Grimm was reaching a dead end, so he tried something different and it worked. Later writers undoing it in such a ham-handed way was just painful.

2) It's been done before. Remember when Colossal Boy married Shrinking Violet in Legion of Super Heroes, only to find out that she was a Durlan? And he decided to let the marriage stand? And Vi herself became a badass after her liberation? The whole thing was done before and better years ago.

3) This story began the long hard decline for the Fantastic Four. After this came Sue's peek-a-boo top, Reed's "death"(he got better), Ben getting his face carved up by Wolverine, and a slue of other 90s-era "fixes" that just made long-time FF fans see red. It took Mark Waid to pull them out of it.

4) Thanks to this story, Alicia Masters, once the most prominent supporting player in FF, is all but a non-entity in the MU these days. She did a cameo post-Secret Invasion, but seriously, what have they done for her lately?

Date: 2010-09-13 05:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
Yup. It's kind of sad when you're sitting there thinking, "Couldn't one of them just have been caught cheating with a super-villain or something, followed by divorce and maybe a big fistfight over Reno during rush hour? That would've been much more tasteful."

:/ [sigh]

Date: 2010-09-13 11:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ficticons
And what's also annoying, IMO (and based on my limited first-hand knowledge of it), is what the story ultimately ended up being for Lyja (the Skrull posing as Alicia). I started reading some of the 90s Fantastic Four recently and I find her and Johnny a fascinating pair. I don't like the double-dealing (posing as Alicia, WTF?), but I like her as a character.

And good point about Alicia! What post-SI cameo are you thinking of, by the way? I've also got one in mind and I'm wondering if it's the same. Also, I don't know if you're counting what happens outside the comics-verse MU, but she's had a brief appearance in at least the first FF movie (dunno about the second) and some appearances (of varying lengths in various episodes) in Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes. Apart from that, though, you're right - there hasn't been much of her around.


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