Date: 2010-09-15 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
Goddamnit the joker behind yet another rift in the Batclan and causing one member nearly irreparable damage...there's no really reason why Bruce (or someone) shouldn't have just killed him.

Date: 2010-09-15 10:02 pm (UTC)
xammax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] xammax
I don't buy this... not for a second. I offically divorce Batman Beyond form the DCUA and DC canon. They keep making a Bruce a bigger dick then he is. First having sex with Barbra and then this.

Date: 2010-09-15 10:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
I know, it's so bleak and horrible. :(
Batman loved all his Robins; in my mind that's just not up for debate.

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Date: 2010-09-16 02:03 am (UTC)
schala_kid: Stephanie Brown as Batgirl (Default)
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I'm going to have to agree they just made him into this horrible unlikable douchebag to pretty much everyone who ever loved him.

Date: 2010-09-16 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arysteia
Amen times 50,000.

Date: 2010-09-16 10:35 am (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig
Yep. This is kind of why having Damien be the one who trains Terry made much more sense, as at least Damien's natural character is a hard-to-like sourpuss.

If any version of future-Bruce holds water for me, it's the Kingdom Come version as he's not as psychotic as the Beyond version (there I said it). In KC, he's completely rid of the Joker, the mansion, the pretence, etc., and has a chance to sit back and grin. And looks magnificent doing so.

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Date: 2010-10-01 07:30 am (UTC)
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First having sex with Barbra

Why is that a dick thing? They were both consenting adults.

Date: 2010-09-15 10:04 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Bruce not coming to see Dick doesn't work for me. Actually this whole scenario doesn't work for me, but that's beside the point.

What happened to Tim is a whole different situation, but even if he didn't do it out of a sense of personal responsibility (Which Batman is a walking testament to), Alfred would bloody well MAKE him visit.

Date: 2010-09-15 10:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
I've been enjoying this mini overall, but I can't help but agree. The whole Bruce not seeing Dick thing kinda throws me off. Plus yet again, you have more tragedy reigning upon the Batclan. At this point..kinda not looking forward to seeing how Damian, Cass, and Steph turned out.

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Date: 2010-09-15 10:20 pm (UTC)
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That's it I'm calling Shenanigans!!!

Where's my broomstick!

Date: 2010-09-15 10:22 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Kouhei " Principal Garren " Hayami, the Libra Zodiarts, is bugged. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
jeez, he's still Nick Furying.

Date: 2010-09-15 10:54 pm (UTC)
minyandu: "I made this!" (Default)
From: [personal profile] minyandu
Bruce you stripped out his costume? Jeez....O_o

Date: 2010-09-15 10:57 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Hey, if he did it with Jason's corpse, he can do it to an unconscious Dick...

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Date: 2010-09-16 12:01 am (UTC)
newnumber6: Ghostly being (Default)
From: [personal profile] newnumber6
Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!

Date: 2010-09-16 12:33 am (UTC)
sunaya: Sunshine (Default)
From: [personal profile] sunaya
Which is exactly what I was about to say.

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Date: 2010-09-16 01:05 am (UTC)
star_of_airdrie: (Catastrophe)
From: [personal profile] star_of_airdrie
Not canon... no no no....

Sleeping with Babs - as a betting gal, I'd give the morning line at 3-5

Okay, he'd strip the costume because 1) who wouldn't? and 2) that whole secret identity thing - nearly 100% chance

But Bruce Wayne never talking to Dick Grayson again? Quite a longshot... 100-1 maybe...

No matter, Batman Beyond is great to read more and fun to watch, actually was watching the series on Amazon Unbox as I logged on...
Edited Date: 2010-09-16 01:08 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-09-16 01:13 am (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
I don't get it. It's supposed to be the idea that Joker aimed at Batman but him Dick because he was right behind him right? So...wouldn't it be Dick's fault for being behind Bruce or not paying attention to the field during the fight? I mean the idea here is Dick knowing this watched Bruce jump down in front of him and waited to get shot....and aren't their costumes generally bullet proof or at least resistant enough so that they'd be fine for the most part and not have what happened to Dick up there?

God this re-launch isn't going as well as I hoped.

Date: 2010-09-16 07:28 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The notion was that Batman swings his cape out to be a more tempting target, forgetting that when you do that, you don't do it in such a way that there is someone behind the cloak target area. Dick wasn't expecting the cloak to swirl in front of him because Batman would never have done that.

Capes and costumes are bulletproof in the comics, not generally in the DCAU.

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Date: 2010-09-16 01:33 am (UTC)
retro_nouveau: AARP Bruce (52)
From: [personal profile] retro_nouveau
Bruce makes a mistake? Having a stroke I can see, not being able to control every variable in every encounter is ok -- but forgetting small-unit tactics that he trained everyone else to routinely do?

Bruce decides to never see Dick ever again?

Ok, time to see if there's a Starro hiding on Bruce.

Date: 2010-09-16 02:51 am (UTC)
hawkmoondirge: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hawkmoondirge
Okay so I guess the big rule is the fella with the cape doesn't land first becaus ehe uses the cape to divert enemy fire, with nightwing landing BEHIND him however when misdirecting he involuntarily hit dick.

However let me point this out, the canon here makes NO SENSE. Joker should be dead because there is no Robin, why have nightwing your EX SIDEKICK when you have your current one?

As for the whole bruce is a dick....he kinda is here but he's easy to write poorly. No excuse though

Date: 2010-09-16 07:30 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Thank you, I knew there was something else about this that made no sense... THAT'S what it wa.

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Date: 2010-09-16 02:57 am (UTC)
irrelevant: (Batman Beyond)
From: [personal profile] irrelevant
RotJ was bad enough. Now this?

I'm not taking this as DCAU Batman Beyond canon. Because this? Is just bullshit.

Comics writers just have to make everything a billion times more fucked up than the 'toons. Beechen just lost my readership.

Date: 2010-09-16 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ebailey140
It's not set in the DCAU. It can't be, considering the Joker was long dead when Bruce retired as Batman. Not only that, but Dick was in another city being Nightwing (stated directly in RotJ) when the Joker died. This can't be made to fit.

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Date: 2010-09-16 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arysteia
This is everything I already hated about Batman Beyond canon, ramped up to eleven. Million. If it was a true AU, an entirely separate continuity, or an elseworld, maybe. But as the future of the DCAU? Bullshit.

Date: 2010-09-16 06:10 am (UTC)
blackruzsa: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blackruzsa
What I understand from Beyond-verse is NOT that Batman was a doucheface but that everything bad that happened to his sidekicks made him more distant. He didn't WANT Terry to become Batman, but circumstances led him to allow Terry to work the suit and then he realized how much Gotham still needs help.

The others, like Tim, like Dick, like Barb realize that Bruce isn't a total jerk but they tell Terry that to steel him for any stupidity Bruce does in terms of relationships.

Date: 2010-09-16 01:51 pm (UTC)
neev: Be Yourself Until You Bleed (Default)
From: [personal profile] neev
Yeah, that's always been may take on it and I am so, so tired of this TIME TO TURN THE ANGST UP TO 11 bullshit. Whatever happened to thoughtful, nuanced character interactions that work on something other than the I LOVE YOU/I HATE YOU level of interpersonal relations? :/

Date: 2010-09-16 06:13 am (UTC)
frostedone: (Default)
From: [personal profile] frostedone
If this is what Bruce REALLY did then I am not counting this as DCAU canon.

Sure Bruce was a jerk in the later post BTAS seasons 1-3 DCAU, but this...this goes beyond sleeping with Babs. At least that could be reasonably explained as two consenting adults.

Tim, at least he got Tim Drake the necessary help he needed.

This though...damn. What ever happened to Amanda Waller's speech about how Bruce was so caring and stuff in Justice League's Epilogue?

Date: 2010-09-16 12:49 pm (UTC)
benicio127: (Gah!)
From: [personal profile] benicio127
Hasn't this already been done before in DKSA? I mean, wtf...

Date: 2010-09-21 10:03 pm (UTC)
freddylloyd: (Default)
From: [personal profile] freddylloyd
For 70 years, Dick Grayson/Robin has symbolized the future of the DC Universe. Therefore, if a writer wants to show that future as awful, scary, and fucked-up, he or she has to go after Dick Grayson and/or Robin.

So indeed we get Dark Knight Strikes Again, plus Deathwing, Tim as evil Batman in "Titans of Tomorrow," Return of the Joker, and now this. The upside is that once the writer goes for the Dick Grayson button, there aren't any more to push.

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Date: 2010-09-16 02:30 pm (UTC)
comicoz: Really, 99 of them (Default)
From: [personal profile] comicoz
I was looking forward to the build up...this is not what I expected. This seems like bad fanfiction.

Date: 2010-09-16 05:22 pm (UTC)
omnipotent: (Default)
From: [personal profile] omnipotent
This seems like bad fanfiction.

My sentiments exactly.

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Date: 2010-09-17 03:37 am (UTC)
minyandu: "I made this!" (Default)
From: [personal profile] minyandu
...Maybe it's not Dick. Maybe it's a trap , all those are lies and that is actually some evil clone or android or some kind of archenemy....It' not easy to stay optimitic these days...

Date: 2010-12-31 03:42 am (UTC)
cass_cain: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cass_cain
Yeah, This takes place on another Earth right? A really horrible, Bruce Wayne's an ass universe that nobody likes. I refuse to believe this is New-Earth.

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