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scans_dailyTwo pages from The Flash #5 under the cut.
The giant mirror broke, and no "Mirror Lords" appear; Renegade!Top fabricated (what he believes is) a lie out of thin-air, using the distraction as a reason to attack Iris.
The visions look like fragments of alternate timelines; possibly even the correct one, pre-Zoom-alteration? (REVERSE POLARITY!)
Any new theories as to what's in that mirror? Sounds like the consequences are being saved for a future arc.
The giant mirror broke, and no "Mirror Lords" appear; Renegade!Top fabricated (what he believes is) a lie out of thin-air, using the distraction as a reason to attack Iris.
The visions look like fragments of alternate timelines; possibly even the correct one, pre-Zoom-alteration? (REVERSE POLARITY!)
Any new theories as to what's in that mirror? Sounds like the consequences are being saved for a future arc.
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Date: 2010-09-26 01:57 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-26 09:36 pm (UTC)the artist, I mean :D That's one up for the pride.
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Date: 2010-09-27 02:29 am (UTC)btw ethnic Bicolano here :)
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Date: 2010-09-27 05:15 am (UTC)Just Metro Manila born, sorry :)
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Date: 2010-09-27 05:24 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-26 02:34 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-26 03:31 pm (UTC)this still reads as 'Wally' to me. It's like my brain is literally hard wired to think that a guy in a red suit who runs fast is Wally West. Flash =Wally West in my mind as always.
This is probably how the likes of Geoff Johns and co. felt when they saw characters replacing their favorites but unfortunately they ended up inciting the exact same feelings in those who liked the legacy characters in their attempt to bring back their favorites.
I think the only reason why characters like Renee and Jaimie are 'safe' are because Geoff and co. were not particularly attached to their predecessors though I heard was actually *against* killing off Vic Sage. If they were attached to them, Renee and Jaimie would have suffered a horrible death by now.
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Date: 2010-09-26 03:35 pm (UTC)But yeah, I still kind of read it as Wally.
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Date: 2010-09-26 05:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-26 05:42 pm (UTC)This is how Schroedinger came up with that whole cat business :)
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Date: 2010-09-26 05:49 pm (UTC)I know the feeling exactly, and it will never change.
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Date: 2010-09-26 09:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-27 01:18 am (UTC)If you think those are horrible fates, look at how the job openings for them came. Barry was killed, Barbara crippled, and Hal was destroyed as a character, then killed.
Of the two, which was really treating the fans of the respective characters horribly? Having a favorite put in a supporting character role is better than having them Fridged, I think.
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Date: 2010-09-27 11:54 am (UTC)And how do you explain all the dead Titans during Infinite Crisis and beyond.
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Date: 2010-09-27 02:56 pm (UTC)This is probably how the likes of Geoff Johns and co. felt when they saw characters replacing their favorites but unfortunately they ended up inciting the exact same feelings in those who liked the legacy characters in their attempt to bring back their favorites.
I think the only reason why characters like Renee and Jaimie are 'safe' are because Geoff and co. were not particularly attached to their predecessors though I heard was actually *against* killing off Vic Sage. If they were attached to them, Renee and Jaimie would have suffered a horrible death by now.
Those Titans weren't Legacy Heroes, and Legacy Heroes were what you were discussing. So, Atom being the only Legacy Hero introduced in the Iron Age to suffer a horrible death stands. Aside from him, the trend seems to be to keep the Iron Age Legacy Heroes alive and active, though in supporting roles (Wally, Kyle, Cassandra). You still seem to be in danger if you were a Silver Age hero, though (Ted, Vic).
And, again, Wally, Kyle, Cass, and their fans, got treated very well compared to Barry, Hal, Barbara, and their fans. I think "supporting role" is better than "Fridged."
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Date: 2010-09-27 03:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-28 02:04 am (UTC)So, you think brutally killing or crippling Wally, Kyle, and Cass would have been better for them and their fans? I disagree,but I like all three.
I don't think Hal fans would have minded so much if they'd had him, say, become a high ranking commander of the GL Corps, therefore requiring someone else to take over as Green Lantern of Earth. It was the complete raping of Hal as a character for nothing more than a sales stunt that angered the fans. Immediately following that with a demonstration of how "kewl" and "hardcore" the GL series would be with the scene that gave us the term "Women in Refridgerators" didn't help. It's to later writers' credit that Kyle managed to overcome that beginning and become a worthwhile character.
But, even to comics fans who weren't big Hal fans, Emerald Twilight and it's immediate aftermath came to represent everything that had gone wrong with superhero comics at the time.
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Date: 2010-09-28 06:46 am (UTC)Look, just because I said 'YMMV' does not mean I want to see my favorite characters dragged through a field of meat grinders. I'll emphasized that I am half satisfied with the whole 'bring back the Silver Age' business. As much as I'm happy that Wally is still sort of around and John is now one of the main characters in GLC but one part of me still wishes that I was still reading a book starring Wally West as theFlash, a book with John Stewart as the main GL on earth.
The reason why I said YMMV was because I was hoping to tail off the discussion from there because we were rapidly approaching the point where we would be talking of our own preferences and views which were influenced by what we grew up with or were exposed to as a kid.
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Date: 2010-09-28 06:42 pm (UTC)For me, it was Sinestro that actually won me over to bringing Hal back, and restoring all the old GL Mythology. I was all "Meh" about it, then GL R: #4 hit... Then, we had Kyle go into 90s Angst mode, only for Hal to get him out of it with a few words of positive reinforcement, resulting in Kyle smiling and feeling good about himself, and I was sold on the direction of Green Lantern.
Needless to say, I loved Steph finally getting the positive reinforcement. Judging from what Morrison has been saying, we'll see the end of Batdickery from Bruce, and he'll be a genuine mentor, again. I have a lot of issues with Morrison's run, but that, I would like.
If this had been the approach to Green Arrow, rather than sticking to the 90s and early 00s way of doing things, we wouldn't have had what happened to Roy and Lian. Lian would be practicing archery, right now, and doing the BFF thing with Sin. Think of Cry for Justice/Rise of Arsenal as this year's Emerald Twilight or War Games. Recent events have demonstrated, however, that CfJ/RoA can be undone.
So, the only way preferences enter into it with me is I prefer superheroes to be genuinely heroic and inspirational to those around them to Grimdark angstfests. My preference for the directions of the GL and Batman books to the GA ones has nothing to do with Hal, specifically, being back.
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Date: 2010-09-27 05:27 am (UTC)Barry = Straight-laced with a nerdy side.
I can definitely read the difference.
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Date: 2010-09-27 11:56 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-27 02:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-27 03:02 pm (UTC)So let's just agree to diagree for now.
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Date: 2010-09-27 09:32 pm (UTC)The early issues showed Wally as someone who was young, irresponsible, and not quite ready for the role of an A-list Super Hero. He was egotistical and womanizing, though it was obvious that he used this to cover up emotional problems. This was the version that the DCAU Flash was based on.
I do see a lot of JLU Wally in that description and it has some signs of what people recognize in a jock. Only difference is that JLU!Wally gets Barry's job (police scientist, in Flash and Substance).
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Date: 2010-09-26 03:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-26 03:37 pm (UTC)Also, who does the colouring? That colorist deserves an award, because WOW.
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Date: 2010-09-26 03:54 pm (UTC)Brian Buccellato
I'll bite; I actually am interested in the story, or at least what I think may be the long-term story.
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Date: 2010-09-26 05:11 pm (UTC)Guy was a hell of an optical physicist (plus another discipline or two, I'm sure) for a prison convict.
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Date: 2010-09-28 03:30 am (UTC)Sad Thing
Date: 2010-09-26 06:54 pm (UTC)Boomerang is the 1 thing that catches my eye with this book and his mission is to cryptic for me to care. "Throw the Boomerang" okay so throw it at dove...why, what'll ity do. Your mission is to kill her? Why?
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Date: 2010-09-26 09:32 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-27 11:59 am (UTC)Granted it's impossible but it baffles me why DC never tried their hand at creating their own MC2 or Ultimate universe.
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Date: 2010-09-27 09:01 pm (UTC)His death had impact and a sense of finality to it. Bringing him back has done nothing but confuse a whole lot of things for no appreciable gain, especially when they've pretty much rewritten his history in a desperate effort to make him "relevant".
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Date: 2010-09-27 05:30 am (UTC)Nothing's really forming yet, but I can't imagine that Mirror Master called the Looking Glass a "slow working poison" without a reason.
And of course the consequences will be saved for a future arc--Geoff Johns is, if nothing else, a master of the long haul.
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Date: 2010-09-27 05:36 am (UTC)To be on topic, I believe that the mirror is either a relections of things which COULD be if Prof. Zoom didn't change history... or a relfection of what Barry wants in his heart (his mom alive again, most likely with dad) in a hope to pull Barry into it and trap/kill him.
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Date: 2010-09-27 12:24 pm (UTC)And if now they feel they have to tease Barry restoring his own timeline, then we've wasted the resurrection of a 50+ year old beloved character with a long-standing, meaningful death.
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Date: 2010-09-27 03:19 pm (UTC)How so?
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Date: 2010-09-27 04:17 pm (UTC)