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Four scans from Daredevil #118, in which progressively more characters have had it with Daredevil.

Previously, Matt accepted the Kingpin's proposed alliance to defeat the Hand, which, at least for Fisk, seems like a suicide mission.  Master Izo, Daredevil's wacky blind K'un-L'un centenarian ally (he was Stick's sensei, apparently), doesn't think this is a good idea.



Later, Matt returns home to find that Foggy has dropped by, and he isn't happy, since Matt hasn't shown up for work in a while, and the Kingpin left Matt voicemail:




I really liked that scene; Foggy, really, generally has a pretty sucky life because he's friends with Matt, but he rarely ever seems to note this.

Also, Kingpin is hallucinating his dead wife Vanessa:

 

The interrupting voice is Turk, perennial buttmonkey of the Daredevil mythos; Kingpin proceeds to throttle him.

Date: 2009-04-26 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyberghostface.insanejournal.com
Can you please not make (however vague) references to what happens before the cut with new issues?

Date: 2009-04-26 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kagome654.insanejournal.com
Oh dear, oh dear...it does suck to be Matt Murdock...and much of it is self inflicted.

Though I did have a good hearty laugh at 'the whiniest superhero I've ever met.' He may be morose and angsty about 85% of the time, but I'd still rather hang with him than Spidey.

Date: 2009-04-26 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buttler.insanejournal.com
Master Izo has clearly never met Cyclops.

Date: 2009-04-26 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
Pity party for three!

Date: 2009-04-26 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darklorelei.insanejournal.com
I was hoping you'd use that icon!

Date: 2009-04-27 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arilou_skiff.insanejournal.com
Depends what you mean I guess. Daredevil WHINES more, but he's got more cause for it than most.

Date: 2009-04-27 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kagome654.insanejournal.com
True, but I'd be inclined to feel more sympathy for Matt if he didn't have the tendency to exasperate his own misery.

But at the end of the day I just can't stand anything Spidey says or does anymore, so there's that...

Date: 2009-04-26 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com
I have to say I DID like Matt's reaction to Foggy's news. There he is all prepared to do the "Aren't I being brave and decent" martyr complex thing and resign and Foggy denies him even THAT with a "No, I'm just sick to the back teeth with the unbelievable quantities of shit you have blithely brought down on anyone who ever met you, you are out on your arse because I SAY YOU ARE!"

Good for you Foggy!

(Sorry, just got done watching "Blood Ties" and by the end was so sick of the heroines selfishness and self righteousness causing chaos with everyone's lives, and notably the decent, honest cop who lost his career because of her refusing to back off when he asked. So martyr complex heroic gestures are very much irritating to me right at the moment)

Date: 2009-04-26 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottyquick.insanejournal.com
I'm disliking Master Izo, but love that scene with Matt/Foggy. Look Matt! MARTYRDOM IS BAD!

Matt/Foggy forever. Seriously, who else actually calls Matt out on his bullshit, and makes him do better?

Date: 2009-04-26 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tpsreports.insanejournal.com
Since when is Foggy, Bruce McGill.
Image

Date: 2009-04-26 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foxhack.insanejournal.com
Lawyer by day, detective by night.

Foggy is... MIKE HAMMER!

Date: 2009-04-26 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mullon.insanejournal.com
Anyone could have predicted that teaming up with Fisk would bite Daredevil in the ass. But I didn't expect it to be this quick.

Date: 2009-04-26 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com
To be fair, how long COULD they stretch out any notion that this WASN'T a truly, spectacularly bad idea for Matt?

Date: 2009-04-26 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
I actually thought it kind of made sense, when Matt explains it. Lady B was trying to get Kingsy after Matt for the umpteenth time, so they preempt her.

However, Fisk is a bad person and he mostly works with bad people. When Matt and him teamed up to escape prison, Fisk tried to release Bullseye. Now that they're working together again, he does something similar. And the cop who was killed as a result? Matt's gonna freak.

Still think that Lady B and Master Izo are trying to trick Matt though..

Date: 2009-04-26 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starwolf_oakley.insanejournal.com
I looked through a reprint of the very first Daredevil issue, and Foggy was in the audience with Matt during Jack Murdock's final fight. It also had Foggy and Matt going right from college into their own law practice, but let's ignore that part.

This "dude-vorce" is a big deal, as Matt and Foggy are practically brothers. If there is another DD movie or an animated series, Foggy's family should take Matt in when his father dies. Matt and Foggy going from friends to foster brothers makes their relationship even deeper.

Has the Kingpin ever done anything to Foggy? I know the Kingpin sent Elektra after Foggy in DD #181, but Foggy doesn't know that. IIRC, Elektra showed up and then let Foggy go, with her big Bullseye fight right after that.

Date: 2009-04-26 08:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
He's also sent a madman in a Daredevil costume to kill him, got his practice shut down, and hired a crazy super-commando who almost killed Foggy's girlfriend. Foggy also worked for one of his dummy corps once and caught on that it wasn't on the up-and-up, so he'd have seen some of Kingpin's corruption from the inside, especially if they made him defend any of the guy's men. I'm sure there're other things on down the line, but all of this was just in one book.

If you haven't read Born Again I cannot recommend it enough.

Date: 2009-04-26 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kagome654.insanejournal.com
Seconding that recommendation!

Date: 2009-04-27 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thehefner.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com)
Agreed. And even still, BORN AGAIN is one of my all-time, top three favorite graphic novels.

Date: 2009-04-26 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foxhack.insanejournal.com
I think the story's been retconned more than once. Matt's already a young adult and in college when his father gets murdered -- but I remember it differently, Matt was a kid when that happened. But yeah, Matt and Foggy have been friends for well over ten years Marvel time by now.

Date: 2009-04-27 08:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] statham1986.insanejournal.com
Given Fisk sold the information about Matt to the villain of the piece, you could argue that Fisk is responsible for the hell that Foggy goes through in 'Guardian Devil', I guess.

Date: 2009-04-26 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hyperactivator.insanejournal.com
Anyone else think that Lady Bullseye's plan is to make Matt punish himself?

Sort of like the old Foxtrot strips where Jason's model was destroyed by Peter and Jason swore revenge in the next 12 hours scareing Peter to the point where he hid outside all night under the bushes on a pile of dog poo eating twigs for supper only to confront Jason the next morning and finding that he hadn't escaped punishment at all.

I get the feeling that just when Matt thinks he's won Lady Bullseye will list off all the things that Matts lost in his victory and laugh in his face.

Date: 2009-04-26 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
But she doesn't care about him emotionally. That's not her motive. So she wouldn't hurt him just to hurt him.

She's after a leader for the Hand, so she says. Perhaps she's separating Matt from his straight and narrow life, so that it makes sense for him to lead the Hand--to prevent them from doing evil. Elektra had similar thoughts when she first joined. Or maybe it's a roundabout way of getting Wilson Fisk to lead the Hand. ::shrug::

Date: 2009-04-26 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
But she might be lying.

Date: 2009-04-27 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cainofdreaming.insanejournal.com
Anyone else think that Lady Bullseye's plan is to make Matt punish himself?

And for her next trick she'll make fish swim and turn the pope Catholic.

I mean, it's not like that the plan won't most likely work, if that's it, but how will it be any different from any other week in Matt's life?

Mod Note:

Date: 2009-04-26 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schmevil.insanejournal.com
Please, no hints at content before the cut when it comes to new issues. They are considered spoilers by a number of members.

Date: 2009-04-27 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liliaeth.insanejournal.com
Who the hell is the artist on this, His Matt looks ugly as hell.

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