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Hi everyone,

Since it's National Coming Out Day today, I'm listing my top 5 coming out yuri manga titles. (Yuri manga = Japanese comics with woman x woman or girl x girl romance.) They aren't listed in the order of my favorite to least favorite- just the order of when they popped into my head.

1. Hanjuku Joshi by Morishima Akiko (Coming Out to a Friend):

Because seeing Yae work up the courage to come out to her friend/former crush Youko before they go on a double date gives me the warm fuzzies like few other manga scenes. (Hanjuku Joshi is a "finding love at an all girls' school"-type story. It's a common set-up for yuri, but Morishima Akiko is a famous yuri author known for subverting the assumptions built into the yuri genre, which gives her work some extra oomph.)

2. Aoi Hana by Shimura Takako (Coming Out to One's Best Friend):

Shimura Takako can do no wrong. Fumi's coming out scene with Ah-chan is eerily close to my own coming out to my best friend. Sugimoto coming out to her family is also a highlight- although she didn't have to drag poor Fumi into it. ^^; (Aoi Hana is about a girl moving back to her hometown and meeting her best friend from ten years ago, who was also her first love. It also deals with "girls' school yuri" tropes.)

3. Love My Life by Yamaji Ebine (Coming Out to Family/Mutual Outing):

Ichiko comes out to her dad, and her dad reveals that he's gay too- and so was her dead mom. How could anyone forget this scene? (That's just the opening chapter. As a whole, this is a slice-of-life story about Ichiko and the people she knows, by another famous yuri author.)

4. Honey & Honey by Takeuchi Sachiko (Multiple Types):

When you're reading an autobiographical yuri manga by an out author, you're going to get some realistic coming out scenes. lol Takeuchi makes it funny, though, and she covers the coming out process for different sexual/gender minorities, which is something you don't see much. (*straining to think of more examples* ...) I have a soft spot for the Sachiko-Mai interaction because my bff is straight- and in manga starring yuri protagonists, "best friend" is virtually always synonymous with "love interest." (So...yup, it's a very good auto-bio yuri comic.)

Above: Julia-san, expressing her desire to kiss her kouhai Ran before realizing that she has a crush on her. Julia's manager Saeki, not realizing that this is the beginning of a pattern.

5. Strawberry Shake Sweet by Hayashiya Shizuru (Outed by Stupidity- Multiple Times):

Because we need more funny coming out scenes featuring characters who are too dense to know that everybody can tell- and then don't care after they know that other people know. (Yes, I know I'm stretching it with this example.) (Strawberry Shake Sweet is an incredibly funny romantic comedy about a talent who falls in love with the new girl at her talent agency who she's tasked with teaching the ropes of the entertainment industry to. Hayashiya Shizuru is another famous yuri author known for her comedy. She's currently working on the yuri-ish action-comedy Hayate x Blade, which is being published in English.)

Agree? Disagree? Feel free to chime in with your favorite examples. :-)

(I originally posted this list here. On a reader's suggestion, I'm re-posting it- with some additional explanation- in this community for anyone who is interested.)

Date: 2010-10-12 01:59 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
how about Yaoi? :)

Date: 2010-10-12 02:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ravenous_raven
Dick and Br-no, wait, Dick and Ja-I mean, Dick and Ti-

You've all corrupted me. CORRUPTED. ME.

Date: 2010-10-12 02:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] turtlefu
From my own personal experience, I found that almost all yaoi and yuri deal with nothing but stereotypes. None of them ever actually deal realistically with what a gay or lesbian person would ever face in society, they either live in this amazing world where it's a none issue, or it's played completely fake and unrealistically.

I skimmed through Love My Life and was surprised at how humanistically it portrayed the characters. We need more yaoi/yuri like that, not the constant fangirl fap fodder that is churned out.
(It also helps if we could actually get some out women or men writing yuri or yaoi)

Date: 2010-10-12 03:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] turtlefu
Thanks, I'll definitely check those out.

For me, I want a good story, with a realistic relationship. You know, one that has ups and downs, and you can feel the love the two protagonists have, and sometimes it might not even work out. If the two people are both men or both women or not, it doesn't matter, because a good romance is a good romance. (also, I don't like them too porn-y)
Likewise, I think those types of stories are too rare, because so many manga-ka just want to write about their own personal fantasies.
I can't even think of a single yaoi that has those qualities. (Or come to think of it, a heterosexual one either...)

Date: 2010-10-12 07:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] turtlefu
Oh, I just remembered.
I did read some of a manga called Paradise Kiss before, and I think it's portrayal of a trans woman was very sensitive and well done.

Date: 2010-10-12 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mizuno_youko
In addition to the titles yuriboke mentioned, I would also recommend:
-anything by Yamaji Ebine
-nearly anything by Morishima Akiko
-nearly anything by Otsu Hiyori
-Double House and Pieta, both by Haruno Nanae
-Moonlight Flowers by Tsukumo Mutsumi
-Instinct and a Chromosome by Okai Haruko and Akiyama Maiko
-Mermaid Line by Kindaichi Renjuurou
-That's Why I Sigh by Ichijou Yukari
-For You, My Beloved by Yoshizaki Nagi and Sasaki Aya
-Hands Off My Girl by Minami Q-ta
-Happy-Go-Lucky Days and Wandering Son, both by Shimura Takako
-Needles and Oranges by Kizuki Akira
-Husky and Medley by Kurosada

If you're looking for manga by out women in particular, queer publications like Anise and Phryne would be a good place to start; some of the titles on these lists are done by out women as well (Gunjo, Rica'tte Kanji!?, Plica, Honey & Honey, and maybe Works; "For You, My Beloved" and "Husky and Medley" claim to be based on true stories). For manga by out gay men, you might have more luck looking at geicomi than yaoi.

tl;dr There's a lot of good stuff out there if you know where to look.

Date: 2010-10-12 07:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] turtlefu
The problem I have is that I want series that aren't porn, or are not heavy on the sex if it doesn't serve the story.
I'm not at all interested in reading porn.

I also was thinking about gays in Japan, and I realized that are pretty much no out celebrities who are not authors or manga-ka. I can only think of a couple of out male comedians, who exploit horribly offensive stereotypes for laughs.
Even South Korea has Hong Seok Cheon.

Date: 2010-10-12 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mizuno_youko
The only titles either of us have recommended that come even close to being porn are Hanjuku Joshi and Works, and the sex does often tie into the plot in those. Some of the others include semi-explicit sex as well, but it's part of the plot.
"Yuri" does not automatically mean "porn," if that's the cause of the confusion here.

I can think of one politician off the top of my head who is an out lesbian. I don't keep up much with celebrities.

Date: 2010-10-12 03:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
Thank you for this list! I must admit, I do like a stereotypical yuri manga, but even better is one that goes beyond those stereotypes.

Date: 2010-10-12 04:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] destroyed
RE: Stereotyping in manga...

I live in Taiwan (big Japanese influences, manga is as common here as Japan, etc.) and the culture regarding lesbians is fairly different from Western society. Girls with girlfriends are really common, especially among girls who are student-aged and they fit the manga stereotypes of 'Brash and forward tomboy woos shy and beautiful girly girl' every time. People here don't bat an eye and most aren't judgmental in the least.

In fact the only people who are judgmental are the ones you see online rebutting posts like this going "No, no, no girls here just like holding hands and acting cute you don't understand!" but it's a pretty thin veil.

Granted, things become different the older these women get, and many ween themselves out of it citing that it was a phase, due t o either A. family pressure or B. the fact that it [was] a phase - if you go to an allgirls school, a cool tomboy from your school is simply going to be a much better 'boyfriend' than some milquetoast boy from across town. I kinda feel bad for the tomboys who lose their girlfriends this way, but then most of the time I meet them they try so hard to jock up around the guys and prove themselves that they come off as unsympathetic.

Is yuri featuring older women handled more sensitively and played less for cute? I'd imagine it would be.

Date: 2010-10-12 04:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pseudo_tsuga
Ahhh, I love every one of these series. It's great to see it on scans daily! I keep on meaning to make a post about Honey & Honey, especially the yonkoma about yuri manga (how meta!) It's hard to fight past the stereotype of schoolgirl lesbians sometimes but there's some really good stuff out there.

Date: 2010-10-12 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mizuno_youko
I made a post about Honey & Honey a while back, but I think I posted few enough pages that you shouldn't need to worry about the page-limit rule. :)

Date: 2010-10-16 04:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] meatwhichdreams
Aw man, Honey & Honey! So much love for that series. Don't forget Plica too!

Date: 2010-10-16 06:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] meatwhichdreams
And I wouldn't have heard of either of them without Scans_Daily!


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