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Entry tags:medium: webcomic, trigger warning: misogyny/sexism
So, recently Kate Beaton made some comments on Twitter about how sometimes guys that like her work will respond with comments she finds creepy/uncomfortable/offensive.

Gabby's Playhouse then did a webcomic entitled "How Every Single Discussion About Sexism and Woman-Type Stuff on the Internet (and real life) Has Ever Happened And Ever Will Happen, Always, Forever, Until the Earth Finally Falls Into The Sun. (Or until the patriarchy is finally dismantled.)"



Comic by Gabbysplayhouse.com
[Source.]

I don't quite get that last panel, but the rest of it is kinda recognizable.



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falseaesop: (pic#430654)


[personal profile] falseaesop
2010-10-29 07:11 pm UTC (link)
I like this in and of itself is sexist by catagorizing all men on the same boat of being insensitive dicks.

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valtyr: (Cap plays chess)


[personal profile] valtyr
2010-10-29 07:22 pm UTC (link)
I like this in and of itself is sexist by catagorizing all men on the same boat of being insensitive dicks.

Where in the comic does it say 'the insensitive dicks depicted here represent all men'?

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[personal profile] laddical
2010-10-29 07:26 pm UTC (link)
The sweeping generalization that this is how every conversation on sexism ever goes and the blank faces filled only with gender symbols while dividing the two factions along strictly gender lines goes a long way to giving that impression.

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nezchan: From Sita Sings the Blues (women's issues)


[personal profile] nezchan
2010-10-29 07:28 pm UTC (link)
This, for some strange reason, reminds me of how every public discussion of women's issues ends up with someone, without a trace of irony, bemoaning, "But...the poor men!"

Just sayin'.

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[personal profile] laddical
2010-10-29 07:41 pm UTC (link)
Huh. I... I don't see any self-pity or gender-pity in my statement. Merely a response to the question of why someone might interpret this comic as saying all men are insensitive dicks. In this comic, all women are right and all men are wrong; there is no cross-over wherein some women support the male blogger and some men support the female artist. Where there is no specificity, only generalization, it's not hard to get the idea that "the insensitive dicks depicted here represent all men."

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airawyn: (Robin 4/Stephanie)


[personal profile] airawyn
2010-10-29 07:29 pm UTC (link)
Wow, you guys are doing a fabulous job of convincing me that not all men are sexist dicks.

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falseaesop: (pic#430654)


[personal profile] falseaesop
2010-10-29 07:45 pm UTC (link)
Sorry, I felt insulted by this. Particularly the panel where women and only women are giving logical fact based arguements and the man is ignoring them all, followed by all men following a I AM SPARTICUS call to ignorance.

The thing about this comics is you could switch the sexes in the arguement being presented in his comic wihtout a whole lot of change (dick statue not withstanding).

Take it from a guy who has been stalked by a woman (restraining orders creepy following around, looking through my windows at 3am, actual fucking stalker) women can be just as creepy as degenerate men on the internet.

So lets reverse the rolls. Lets say guy tries to disuade a creepy fangirl, the fangirl takes offense and blog posts about how the guy was being sexist. Guy tries to explain how he making a statement about her, not her gender, girl ignores all logical argument and starts screaming about feminism, other women flock to her cause. Guy feels defeaed by the overwhelming force and is sorry he said anything in the first place.

Would you say that comic is being sexist in its depiction of the sexes?

I don't like this comic, I'm not saying guys can't be creepy dicks, I just think this comic while trying to make a statement about sexism isn't self aware enough to realize that it itself is sexist.

And yes I AM aware that I, in my rambling way can be said to be fufilling the "Let me explain how you are wrong blah blah blah blah" role. I just don't think this comic is being fair.

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icon_uk: (Sonny Strait Nightwing)


[personal profile] icon_uk
2010-10-29 08:09 pm UTC (link)
But my dick is sexist... it only reacts to cute guys! :)

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thebigapricot: (Jeanette)


[personal profile] thebigapricot
2010-10-29 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Boo fucking hoo. It's not about every conversation on sexism. It's specifically about internet conversations go. And um, hello kettle - you're black.

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[personal profile] laddical
2010-10-29 07:44 pm UTC (link)
Pardon me for leaving out an adjective.

Also: this is not my point of view. It is a specific response to a specific question. A devil's advocate, if you will.

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valtyr: (Cap rain)


[personal profile] valtyr
2010-10-29 07:37 pm UTC (link)
As I said to [personal profile] halialkers below, it doesn't say that the Y chromosome has a monopoly on assholishness. It says that mainstream discussions on sexism tend to involve a lot of loud male assholes telling a lot of women what is and is not sexist. Which is true. Which has just happened.

The fact you've decided the best response to this is to get indignant about how men are being maligned isn't great, really. If you're a man, but not an asshole who likes to tell women that they're wrong about sexism? This comic is not about you.

while dividing the two factions along strictly gender lines

How horrid to suggest that sexism frequently falls out on gender lines. :|



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[personal profile] laddical
2010-10-29 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Where did I get indignant? You asked a question; I responded with why some people might see it that way.

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halialkers: (A drama queen thou art)


[personal profile] halialkers
2010-10-29 07:37 pm UTC (link)
All generalizations are false.

You do realize this is, technically speaking, proving the point that the comic itself made? The comment in reference to it is rather inappropriate and in real life might well lead to drama llamas of a potentially very nasty sort.

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mad: I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN! (Default I am the Lizard QUEEN!)


[personal profile] mad
2010-10-29 07:29 pm UTC (link)
It generalizes, sure. The men are all entitled and ignorant and the women are all in agreement and making sense. Reality doesn't often happen that way, it's true.

The levels of sexism aren't quite equal against both genders though.

It might be worth noting that the creator of this comic is male.

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jeyl: (login)


[personal profile] jeyl
2010-10-29 07:35 pm UTC (link)
Well, all men in the hollywood system at least.

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halialkers: (A drama queen thou art)


[personal profile] halialkers
2010-10-29 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Erm.....if someone says "I wanna fuck you because I like this comment" that's creepy no matter how you slice it.

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liara_shadowsong: (liara)


[personal profile] liara_shadowsong
2010-10-29 07:38 pm UTC (link)
Motto.

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falseaesop: (pic#430654)


[personal profile] falseaesop
2010-10-29 07:49 pm UTC (link)
I agree, saying something like that would be creepy as all hell. I have never said anything like that, but I have seen both men and women make statements like that, even here on this community.

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halialkers: (I reject yours for mine is better)


[personal profile] halialkers
2010-10-29 07:52 pm UTC (link)
But you object to a comic that addresses what too often happens if someone objects to that kind of comment? One does not follow from the other.

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superfangirl1: (pic#574174)


[personal profile] superfangirl1
2010-10-30 05:00 am UTC (link)
Actually had that happen to me and when I argue about it. They said it was my fault somehow by being in a semi all male forum.

Being a tease. :/ Which I guess being friendly and nice is flirting.

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khamelea: (DMetal, Uranium)


[personal profile] khamelea
2010-10-29 07:50 pm UTC (link)
I think that the title of the comic itself is a clear enough indication of the hyperbolic tone that it's intentionally adopting.

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fifthie: tastes the best (terezi loves red)


[personal profile] fifthie
2010-10-29 08:12 pm UTC (link)
Panel 23 by the second comment, amazing.

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gargoylekitty: (HA!)


[personal profile] gargoylekitty
2010-10-29 08:23 pm UTC (link)
Mte.

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sallymustard: (Jenny Sparks is my favorite)


[personal profile] sallymustard
2010-10-29 08:25 pm UTC (link)
LOL exactly.

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kingrockwell: cool times; a man in a black shirt places a blue fedora on his head while throwing a jacket over his shoulder. (Mod Hat)


[personal profile] kingrockwell
2010-10-29 08:23 pm UTC (link)
No. It is representing the men who are relevant to this particular example. Any other men are not relevant to the topic. Women are the marginalized group in our society, they are the ones against whom sexism is leveled, so they are the ones relevant in showing who sexism affects.

It should not be this comic's obligation to include a few men backing up the ladies' complaints to make the "not-sexist" men feel good about themselves. If the complaint leveled isn't about something you do, then don't make it about you.

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