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So, recently Kate Beaton made some comments on Twitter about how sometimes guys that like her work will respond with comments she finds creepy/uncomfortable/offensive.

Gabby's Playhouse then did a webcomic entitled "How Every Single Discussion About Sexism and Woman-Type Stuff on the Internet (and real life) Has Ever Happened And Ever Will Happen, Always, Forever, Until the Earth Finally Falls Into The Sun. (Or until the patriarchy is finally dismantled.)"



Comic by Gabbysplayhouse.com
[Source.]

I don't quite get that last panel, but the rest of it is kinda recognizable.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:30 pm (UTC)
gargoylekitty: (brutus)
From: [personal profile] gargoylekitty
I might have missed it, but where was it implied that it's only creepy when it's a man giving such compliments to a women and not just something creepy overall that?

Date: 2010-10-29 08:31 pm (UTC)
lilpocketninja: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lilpocketninja
Yeah, sorry. :/ Eugh this whole thread is so depressing and the comic is so awesome.

(frozen)

Date: 2010-10-29 08:31 pm (UTC)
liara_shadowsong: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liara_shadowsong
You have wonderful taste in art, even if it is not art you made yourself. :) She sounds interesting, too... I think I need to find some time to research history in addition to the mountains of science I have to do for my program.

And thank you! I'm actually very bad at using drawing programs on my computer, because I only have a mouse, and while Mac mouses are wonderful for internet use and the other programs I generally use, such as Office, they suck for Gimp (and my cordless usb mouse isn't much better for that purpose). I wound up sketching this on paper, and taking a digital photograph with my webcam to "ink" and color. Because I haven't figured out how to scan with my printer yet. *grin* My stylization form may not always match my anatomy textbook, but at least it is recognizable as a stylized human being, unlike some of the cases of art-fail that tried to be super-realistic and just dropped into the Uncanny Valley. Not saying it's fantastic (even though I'll never complain about getting a compliment, LOL), but I've actually seen worse get published, so I figure that's a pretty good accomplishment for a semester of drawing and painting in high school and overall not quite ten years of independent study between before and after that, largely without many reference books. (I have a love-hate relationship with art-fail posts. I love to poke at where they go wrong. I hate that they made it into publishing. I once re-drew an image of She-Hulk. It was still vaguely pin-up considering the amount of cleavage, but at least the anatomy wasn't as messed up, and her clothes actually looked like they were held up with more than Spirit Gum and the Comics Code, so I called it a win.)

Date: 2010-10-29 08:31 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
I'm going to repeat what I just coincidentally tweeted (and then commented elsewhere) here:

The thing about "your work is so good I'd have your babies" is that the sentiment being expressed is "you're so much better than me/the averead, I want to express my subservience to your greatness".

Equating co-creating a child and birthing it with being pwned ("owned") by someone = totally flipping sexist, no matter who you say it to or who you are.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] twigcollins
This is not remotely a reality in my life as a woman.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:31 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (cap close up)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
No it's not. An ex-girlfriend is not a strange woman. Yes, it sounds like a terrifying experience and he has my sympathy, but it has nothing to do with fearing for his physical safety in the presence of strange women.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:31 pm (UTC)
gargoylekitty: (facepalm)
From: [personal profile] gargoylekitty
I especially love the part where the comic gets further proven to have a valid point in this post.

And by 'love', I mean 'what the hell...'

Re: PS

Date: 2010-10-29 08:32 pm (UTC)
ext_462267: (pic#561898)
From: [identity profile] jogadoresesquecidos.blogspot.com
See, I toldja... such comments can be all well and good in the so-called 'real world', but here, in S_D, our minds are much more polluted...

I THANK THE LORD FOR THAT EVERY DAY! :P

Date: 2010-10-29 08:32 pm (UTC)
airawyn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] airawyn
This is a fantastic essay about how women see men.

The Gift Of Fear is a really good book on personal safety that addresses the threats women have to deal with. The author says, "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them." (He also takes on workplace violence and bomb threats, among other things. I'd recommend it to anyone to read.)

So no, you can't really reverse it. A crudely sexual comment from some guy on the internet can feel like a physical threat to a woman. And I know that many guys are decent (and there's women who are dangerous) but the odds are against you guys.

And that's before you even start talking about GENERAL sexism issues, like workplace inequality and such.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:32 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (cap close up)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
She asked him about fearing for his physical safety in the presence of strange women. His answer said nothing about that.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:33 pm (UTC)
sallymustard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sallymustard
I'm not trying to speak for her, but I don't think she implied that. I think it's the internet's auto-reaction to make that assumption when the word "sexism" dares show its face.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] twigcollins
Shakesville works?

Date: 2010-10-29 08:33 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
Fair enough.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:33 pm (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Mod Hat)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Gay men have just as much male privilege as straight men. They are not exempt from practicing sexism.
Intersectionality! It's a thing.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:33 pm (UTC)
christianconnor: (Default)
From: [personal profile] christianconnor
If I feeling more frivolous, I'd be counting how many panels of the webcomic we'd ticked off already in this post.

But the fact that it's all so familiar is just dispiriting. Is the needle on the bigmassivehuge internet harddisk at CERN just skipping every couple of months?

I have to keep reminding myself "better than a hundred years ago", because the internet is not offering any sense of progress, of forward momentum, of learning.

Bleargh.

More kittens please.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:33 pm (UTC)
liara_shadowsong: (pwned)
From: [personal profile] liara_shadowsong
^___^ Yay! Also, your icon is fantastic.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:33 pm (UTC)
halialkers: Homer Simpson setting cereal on fire with caption "Epic Fail: For Some things there are no excuses." (Epic fail)
From: [personal profile] halialkers
Having contributed to that myself, I must agree that it's a very well-done webcomic.

(frozen)

Date: 2010-10-29 08:34 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (cap facepalm)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Not only does the Internet =/= America, but America =/= the only country to have elections in 2010.

(frozen) Re: Counterpoint

Date: 2010-10-29 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] twigcollins
Maybe we should just call a moratorium on all fucking-based compliments?

I love this statement and also your icon.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:34 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
It is!

Except for missing the "I wasn't offended so sexism doesn't count" ladies, who are often quite a feature of debate regarding feminist offence.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:36 pm (UTC)
airawyn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] airawyn
If that has made him fear for his safety from every single woman he meets, then it's relevant, but I still don't need to know about his intimacy issues or the last time he had sex. That's way too much info for this discussion.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:36 pm (UTC)
cuntfucius: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cuntfucius
The tears over it are even more perfect.

Date: 2010-10-29 08:36 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
It doesn't automatically spring to my mind every time I read it, either, because I (like many internet users who enjoy catchy phrases) understand the intent - "I think you're great and I want to express it SO MUCH". But if you or I actually look at what's being said, in words, and compare that to the sentiment being expressed..

There's really no reason why another phrase can't be used, because the language of this one is sexist and clearly makes some creators uncomfortable in other ways, too.

(frozen)

Date: 2010-10-29 08:37 pm (UTC)
halialkers: Raven in Blue hood, glowing white eyes, right hand with palm stretched upward (Default)
From: [personal profile] halialkers
Yup. It's interesting to note that her daughters count as a case of Fridging that's Older Than Feudalism, given that their names are never mentioned and Boudicca was itself a nom de guerre, not the Icenii Queen's birth-name.

See, I've seen some really crappy art on Dar Intarwebs. By the standards I've seen seen this is quite good. And stylization is not in and of itself problematic. Overdoing it is, but this is nothing close to that. :-). Actually when I draw myself proportion is one of my bigger issues. Some of my draws can get to Geiger-esque screwiness from trying to fix those mistakes.

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