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Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 12:53 pm (UTC)Particularly, Kon who should have some sympathy with a kid who's been genetically engineered to be half hero, half... well, whatever Talia's allegiance is this week (but currently set to default "villain") seems very off. Not LIKE Damian sure, but at least see where he's coming from.
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Date: 2010-11-26 01:16 pm (UTC)Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 01:29 pm (UTC)I can totally see why Ravager and others think that's a poor reason to keep someone so obnoxious around. Personally I think Cassie made the right decision, but I don't blame people for questioning it.
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Date: 2010-11-26 04:09 pm (UTC)Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 07:18 pm (UTC)Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 08:07 pm (UTC)Cassie making the decision she did was a good one in light of what she knew, and in trusting in Dick's judgment that Damian was ready for this. He wasn't, and that's not Damian's fault. Honestly, Dick comes across like an awful leader and mentor in this situation, as anyone would know that Damian would be a difficult person to integrate into a team and would require a lot of very low-stress situations first to build the camaraderie necessary for good team dynamics. Even if you don't have the time for that, at least set up a dialogue with the team leader beforehand, so that she knows what kind of things to look out for. The fact that Dick just dumped Damian on the Teen Titans without so much as a call to Cassie beforehand giving her a heads up undermines her authority. She's handled it as graceful as one realistically could, but it's still really rude of him.
Now, how she handles the situation her decision has caused will be interesting. The old Cassie would fly off the handle. The new Cassie might do something completely different - and that's going to be interesting to see.
Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 09:40 pm (UTC)As I recall, they voted on membership for (the new) Blue Beatle.
It seems like Cass has decided that diplomacy & precedent don't really apply to her. Again, I find that to be bad characterization for a woman who was raised by the paragon of diplomacy and leadership.
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Date: 2010-11-26 11:34 pm (UTC)Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
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Date: 2010-11-26 11:09 pm (UTC)This doesn't come off as a well-reasoned decision. It comes off as Dick wants a break and knows Alfred needs a break.
Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 11:28 pm (UTC)"You mean sir...?"
"Yup, Bratface the Boy Aggro is the Titans problem for the next three days and you and me, we're going to BERMUDA! If you like, tell Tim and we can make it a family break thing"
" 'Ya'... and if I made add 'Hooo' sir"
Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 01:24 pm (UTC)I don't dislike Damian, but I can't see that the Teen Titans are reacting unreasonably to him at all. Even Ravager has a point - why should they be forced to work with someone so aggressively unpleasant and outright abusive towards them? Essentially, Cassie has made the decision to prioritise Damian's emotional development over team morale. Fair enough, but she could have made a better effort to explain why she thinks that's an important thing to do.
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Date: 2010-11-26 01:52 pm (UTC)Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 02:05 pm (UTC)You mean the way Ravager was most of the time? To people who have been Titans longer than she has? This IS the Ravager who was making snide comments to Kid Devil and attempting to jump Robin's bones in her first appearance as a Titan, no?
Yeah, why would the Titans let someone like that in?
Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 02:11 pm (UTC)attempting to jump Robin's bones
Oh, well everyone does that. And if that was their main grievance against Damian I'd be the first to call it unfair.
Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 04:09 pm (UTC)It sort of does, the other Titans took her on as a member, more or less solely on Dick's recommendation IIRC (since she'd be an enemy of the Titans prior to that) and, though she was a generally unpleasant to everyone, notably Cassie, they took her in and have helped soften a few of the rougher edges.
So she's essentially wanting to deny Damian the same chance that she was lucky enough to get herself.
Oh, well everyone does that. And if that was their main grievance against Damian I'd be the first to call it unfair.
Damian is 10, that is just plain not an area I want to go near.
Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 09:42 pm (UTC)I seem to recall the latter?
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Date: 2010-11-26 11:14 pm (UTC)Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 10:15 pm (UTC)Maybe they would all have been more receptive to Damian if it had been explained that he's a difficult git, but that they are keen to help him and they think joining the Titans will be good for him in the long run, so... please bear with him for a while. But the impression I'm getting from this is that his introduction was "here's the new Robin, he's joining the Titans because he's Robin, never mind that he's unbearable, that doesn't matter".
Damian is 10, that is just plain not an area I want to go near.
Dude, I meant it in the sense of "if Damian found Tim super awesome and expressed it in his irritating 10-year-old way" - not "if Damian totally wanted to get it on with Tim a 100 times".
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Date: 2010-11-26 03:09 pm (UTC)Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 07:21 pm (UTC)Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
Date: 2010-11-26 06:32 pm (UTC)Consider Damian's actions probably wouldn't make him well-loved despite his bad childhood, and also that Kon's best friend was nearly killed by the pip-squeek a year or so back, and I can see why he'd be harder to warm up on him.
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Date: 2010-11-26 06:58 pm (UTC)Re: Cass aside, is it sad that Damian is coming across as the most mature one here?
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