Amazing Spider-Man #649

[cyberghostface]

So many people were waiting to see the return of the original Hobgoblin, and Dan Slott certainly keeps his promises. Roderick Kingsley is back in town now that Norman Osborn's out of the picture.

Now working for the Kingpin, Hobgoblin decides to raid Norman's old warehouse for new equipment. 




Hobby notices a cup of coffee and realizes someone is in there with him. It's none other than Phil Urich.









That's right folks. That Hobgoblin you were waiting to see return for over ten years? Well, Dan Slott kept his promise alright. He brought him back... just kill him off before the recap page and then replace him with Phil Urich.   

Comments

[pyrotwilight]

Wait...did they just make Phil a villain? Sigh. Even Mayday's Uncle Phil isn't safe.

[shanejayell]

*shrug*

It's comics. In ten years this will either be retconned, revealed to be a clone/evil doppleganger or other such twist.

Wonder if Slott will deal with any dangling Loners plot threads?

[thanekos]

well, something had to make him Brand New.

on the other hand, could've just let it be the gear and have Phil take up the Green Goblin name again just by seeing the safe house's stuff (there are exactly n +1 Goblin safehouses in NY, I gather) and then have both of them running around doing shit.

But I suppose it'll work out to something interesting enough in the long run.

[liliaeth]

Considering that this is Dan Slott and the BND version of ASM we're talking about, I seriously doubt that anything interesting will ever come out of this.

Not like these people give a damn about interesting, all they care about is 'shocking' and not necessarily in a good way.

[daningram.insanejournal.com]

Wow. An insane Goblin. That's completely new.

[shanejayell]

But he's a YOUNG, HIP Goblin! No marriages at all!

Soon we'll have EVERY HERO AND VILLAIN BE YOUNG AND HIP AND UNMARRIED! Quesada demands it!

Bwa-ha ha ha ha ha!

[skalja]

This just seems like such a waste of two characters. And it's not even dramatically compelling, just ... I mean as soon as Phil showed up it was obvious what was going to happen.

[goblinthebamf]

so they killed off one interesting villain to make an interesting hero into another cliched insane villain.


there isn't enough beer in the world to make me approve of this.

[q99]

It could be instead of going villain, it's just going to be Phil with bouts of insanity that are targeted at villains.

Granted, likely not, but I'm trying to stay hopeful.

[perletwo]

That preview image...there is something subtexty going on there...I can't quite put my finger on it....what could it be?

*looks at image*looks at own icon*looks at image*

....no, no, just can't quite place it.

[jlroberson]

To quote Neil Gaiman on Elric & his sword(as well as I recall anyway):

"No, no symbolism going on there, not at ALL."

[nezchan]

It's nice he can shout in Christmas colours.

Very seasonal of him.

[starwolf_oakley]

Hmm. Dan Slott taking a few pages from the Dan DiDio playbook. Let's see...

Because Dan Slott hates you, that's why.

Doesn't feel quite right. Also, Dan Slott is a major continuity geek, which is the appeal of a LOT of his stories (especially in AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE). His stories often are done to APPEAL to comic book fans, not to aggravate them and/or metaphorically give them the middle finger.

[halloweenjack]

Sometimes I wonder if Slott isn't just deeply self-loathing, and does so much fanboy-baiting out of a desire to displace some of that. Maybe not generally self-loathing, but specifically in regards to his Spider-Man work post-OMD.

[misterbug]

From the writing team who spun out of "Giving Everyone Brain Damage Against Their Will Is Preferable To Divorce", we get "Being Decapitated By A Poorly-Motivated Excuse For A Second-Rate 90s Protagonist Is Preferable To Being On A Long Vacation".

I can't wait to see their stance on, say, adoption...

[cyberghostface]

[kagome654]

Are you kidding me? I mean really, I just can't...

Fuck. Arrgh. I don't think I can even manage a coherent reply. I'm just so...mad isn't the right word. This is just so stupid. As much as I dislike hyperbole when it comes to comics I can honestly say I'm really starting to hate Spider-Man comics.

[kagome654]

Though someone at another board mentioned that COULD be Daniel, so I'm going to cling to that tiny hope. Yeah...cheap fake outs still trump unnecessary character death.

[turtlefu]

How did Phil Ulrich and Hobgoblin suddenly turn into monkeys after a couple of panels?

[big_daddy_d]

<---

The irony of this is..

[big_daddy_d]

I had 0 intention of doing any OMD/BND bashing. I was actually gonna mention how I like that Hobgoblin is finally back and even mention my personal wish for ALL goblins to be in one Spider-Man arc called War of the Goblins or something like that..unless they already did that.

Soooo seeing this..yea at a loss for words.

Re: The irony of this is..

[badficwriter]

Wars are so boring and drawn out! Now you can get all the death done early! %D

[shadowpsykie]

holy shit... Phil!

[shadowpsykie]

*sigh* i like Phil as a hero-anti-hero... not as crazy villain....

[fifthie]

I'd be sort of interested in this if I though there was a chance of it tying back into the stuff from Loners.

[e_307]

Wait...wasn't Phil's littlesonic scream/laugh tech based? Part of his mask. Since when did he get any kind of power? And since when did the Goblin Formula grant sonic powers (since I'm guessing that's the source of any power Phil has)?

[zechs80]

The Goblin formula Phil got himself accidentally bathed in was a modified version that Harry created. He got super-strength and the sonic laugh whenever he put on his mask. The fact that Slott only remembered the sonic laugh part is saddening in his continuity skills.

[fifthie]

More ~totally out of context~ scans from cyberghostface, The Fox News of Scans-Daily.

[cyberghostface]

Maybe you could tell us the missing context, then, that makes this work better? Given that I can only post four pages, what other pages should I have posted that would make this scene work any better? I'd really like to know. Thanks!

[punishermax]

~To the left, to the left, every wall that gets smashed is off to the left~

"OKAY, SO LET HULK GET STARTED HERE. WHERE BEGIN. WHERE BEGIN....OO HULK KNOW. HULK START WITH HOW FUCKING DUMB THIS IS. THAT SEEM LIKE RELEVANT PLACE. THIS IS FUCKING DUMB AFTER ALL. ALSO HULK IN BAD MOOD. HULK HATE BLACK FRIDAY SO HULK JUST GOT LOTS OF MISPLACED ANGER."

"SO AFTER WE GET TOLD HOBGOBLIN COME BACK HE COME BACK. THAT NICE. OH WAIT, THEN HE GET KILLED. HE GET KILLED IN EXCEEDINGLY DUMB WAY TOO. GOOD FORM."

"IT LIKE YOUR DUMB COUSIN SAY HE MAKE TURKEY FOR THANKSGIVING. ALL FAMILY KNOW HE FUCK UP. FAMILY ACCEPT THIS. BUT THEN YOU GO TO DINNER AND HE HAVE TURKEY. IT LOOK DELICIOUS. IT COOKED PERFECTLY. YOU ALL PLEASANTLY SURPRISED AND HAPPY. SO YOU ALL SIT DOWN AND WAIT FOR FOOD. BUT BEFORE HE CARVE TURKEY HE JUMP ON TABLE, RIP SHIRT OFF AND STICK ROASTED BIRD ONTO HIS HEAD LIKE MR. BEAN FROM HELL. YOU ALL SURPRISED AGAIN BUT NOW FOR BAD REASON."

"THIS SUM UP COMIC. HULK PROBLEM SIMPLE. WHY THIS NEEDED? WAS WORLD CLAMORING FOR ANOTHER INSANE GOBLIN? AWESOME. IT LIKE CHRISTMAS UP IN THIS BITCH. IT NOT LIKE WE BORED AS FUCKING HELL OF THAT. NO KEEP PILING IT ON."

"HULK PROBLEM WITH COMIC BOIL DOWN TO THIS: JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN MAKE SHOCKING SWERVE NOT MEAN IT NOT TOTALLY FUCKING MORONIC AND DUMB. STOP FUCKING DOING THAT, SOMETIMES ORIGINAL IDEA BETTER THAN SURPRISE. I MEAN, IF I GIVE YOU APPLE PIE, I SAY THIS BEST PIE EVER, AND YOU TAKE BITE AND SUPPPPRRRIIISE! IT FILLED WITH CAT SHIT YOU NOT HAPPY. SURE YOU SURPRISED, BUT YOU STILL GET MOUTH FULL OF SHIT AND NOT DELICIOUS APPLES. HULK CALL THIS M. NIGHT THEOREM."

"ALSO THAT PAGE WHERE PHIL LAUGHING REMIND HULK OF SOMETHING. HMMM...IT ON TIP OF TONGUE.
"

[badficwriter]

I laughed so hard I started coughing. Thank you.

It's like you were in my house on Thanksgiving!

[aeolos_sakya]

Interesting, so they brought back Hobgoblin. Cool. Maybe I should check it out. Spiderman might be getting interest... *reads scans*

...

*Turns to icon*

[zechs80]

<----- Yeah my reaction to it all when I read it. However, remember two things:

1.) This is Roderick Kingsley we're talking about here. The man loves using stand-in's, dupes, and robots. Note the fact that what does Phil do after this? He becomes the new Hobgoblin and takes up Rodrick's new job. That strikes me as slightly odd and almost reminds me of Lefty Donovan aka the first dupe Roddy sent out.

2.) This takes Roderick off the everyone's radar even more. Note this could even be a fake death #2 as he pulled before.

3.) Steve Wacker has been trolling original Hobgoblin fans at CBR baiting them (including myself) to go all rage on this. Either he's doing it because A.) twisting the dagger or B.) Roderick's alive and he'll show up at the end gaining the metal or whatever he really wants.

[daningram.insanejournal.com]

Ya know, a dupe/stand-in would be a good explanation, given the fact Hobby's raiding what appears to be a back-up armory that Norman really should know is compromised.

He's Dead.

[nefrekeptah]

Good thing that I don't give a damn about Kinglsy, then.

I like this little twist, myself.

[psychopathicus_rex]

What?! OH, COME ON!
Phil Urich is a good guy, dammit! Moreover, he's a good guy that most non-Spider-Girl fans have completely forgotten he ever existed. What earthly point is there in turning good ol' Phil into a psychopath out of nowhere? That's just plain STUPID, not to mention a terrible waste of a character.
Other posters have suggested that this is messing around with our heads, and that it's not really Phil. I hope that they're right, because otherwise, I will be PISSED.

[hybrid2]

I used to like Dan Slott comics...

[greenmask]

Jeepers, how many times are we going to see those giant Ramos teeth? Too many? OK, too many.

Well-drawn gore I guess.