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the psychic blindspot?

The scene in question is from Amazing Spider-Man #649, written by Dan Slott, and it goes as follows: Peter Parker's new girlfriend, Carlie Cooper, shows up at his high class hotel room (which he can now afford thanks to his advance paycheck from Horizon Labs) and they decide to watch a movie together. What transpires next is the following:

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Now, this all seems well and good (not to mention it at least attempts to try a unique angle on Peter atypical romantic problems) but wasn't there something which Dan Slott established way back in Amazing Spider-Man #591 regarding Peter's secret identity? Oh yeah:



So, in light of issue #591 in which Slott himself set-up the rules for how the "psychic blindspot" worked, and putting this into the context of issue #649 which he also wrote, I have to ask:

1. If Peter still has this psychic blindspot, then why should he have to worry about Carlie possibly deducing that he's really Spider-Man, considering that, by it's very nature, she'd come up with an excuse on her own? or

2. If Peter no longer has the psychic blindspot anymore, what happened to it?

Looks like another dreaded sighting of THE PLOT HOLE!

Date: 2010-11-29 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
Maybe it only works on people who knew Pete's identity at one point in time and maybe, JUST MAYBE Carlie wasn't paying attention when Peter unmasked himself during Civil War.

Date: 2010-11-29 01:49 am (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
Even then, apparently the mindwipe makes people who saw him unmask lose their memory of his identity and apparently just...not care. It's something they can't focus on.

Basically, with the help of Mephisto & Reed & Tony & Stephen, Peter caused noticeably risky brain damage to a large percentage of the world's population. ESPECIALLY Tony, as it's not the first time for him.

Date: 2010-11-29 06:49 am (UTC)
fifthie: tastes the best (Default)
From: [personal profile] fifthie
I actually kind of hope the explanation is that Carlie Cooper is the most ignorant person in the world.

Date: 2010-11-29 01:24 am (UTC)
sun_man: this is Dick Grayson (Default)
From: [personal profile] sun_man
Spider-Man is damaged goods

Date: 2010-11-29 02:25 am (UTC)
nezchan: Oh, isn't this just lovely? (Peej catbutt)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Ow, right in the self esteem!

Date: 2010-11-29 01:53 am (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
It's...kind of insulting that Peter thinks Luke hasn't got the will to resist the Purple Man, even after knowing him all this time. It may have been more recent than the above scans, but didn't Luke actually beat P-Man in 'Thunderbolts', despite the guy being at full power level?

Apparently another of Peter's negative personality traits since losing MJ is a massive lack of faith in his friends...but, hey, at least that's one thing less that Palpatine can call him out on if he ever has to visit the Death Star.

Date: 2010-11-29 02:24 am (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
"I find your lack of faith...really boring. GTFO, I'll go recruit Deadpool or something."

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Date: 2010-11-29 03:00 am (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: foes)
From: [personal profile] skalja
I don't think this shows that Peter doesn't respect or trust his friends* - he's being pragmatic based on long experience. Pretty much every Marvel hero has been possessed or controlled in some way, many of them more than once, including Spidey himself. The examples he cites are all recent (in Marvel time) incidents that occurred to members of the New Avengers. And yes, all these heroes have successfully thrown off their control/escaped from the Skrulls/etc, but that doesn't mean a considerable amount of damage didn't occur in the meantime. All it would take is Purple Man saying, "Tell me the secret identities of every hero you know," and Peter would be in big trouble.

* Well, he does have trust issues and always has, but this isn't a good example of it.

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Date: 2010-11-29 05:16 am (UTC)
badficwriter: Flying saucer-I WANT TO BELIEVE (Default)
From: [personal profile] badficwriter
Luke does NOT have the will to resist a full-powered Purple Man without help. In Thunderbolts 147, Purple Man tried to control him, only to find that Luke's brain is currently protected by nanobytes.

No amount of willpower is proof against every kind of mind-control.

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Date: 2010-11-29 02:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] punishermax
"Peter..why do you have these ten vials of white liquid with a label of 'Web Fluid' on them?"

"Ummm ~Oh man Peter! You gotta think of a good way out of this one!~.....It's my semen!"

"....Y...You collect your semen?"

"Doesn't everyone?"

"And...you label it as web fluid?"

"New word for it on the streets!"

"Peter...what also concerns me is the obvious Spider-Man costume you have in your closet."

"Oh that? I wear it when I make samples! ~Peter old boy you are a genius!~"

"I think I'm gonna just go now Peter. I think I need to re-evaluate our relationship."

~she leaves. Quickly~

~Peter picks up a red cell phone and dials a number frantically~

"Thank you for calling Hell this is Diane speaking how can I connect your call?"

"I'd like to speak to Mephisto!"

"~she sighs and cracks her gum~ Mephisto sir it's that Parker kid again."

"GOD DAMMIT THAT'S THE THIRD TIME THIS MONTH. SEND HIM THROUGH. AND MAKE SURE TO PICK ME UP LUNCH AT CHIK FIL A. AND GET EXTRA POLYNESIAN SAUCE. GOD HELP YOU IF YOUR FORGET."

~the call is transferred through~

"Mephisto I just had to tell my girlfriend that I jerk off into vials because your stupid mind block thing doesn't work!"

"WAIT. WAIT WHAT? HOW DOES A- WHAT THE FUCK KID? I'M ASSUMING YOU HAD TO LIE TO COVER SHIT UP BUT JESUS, THAT WAS YOUR LIE? GOOD JOB, NOW SHE DOESN'T THINK YOUR A SUPER HERO, NOW SHE THINKS YOUR A GOD DAMN FREAK. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED."

"But you lied-"

"I'M THE FUCKING DEVIL. AT LEAST IN THIS COMPANY. THAT PRICK NERON WORKS IN DC. ASSHOLE. WITH THAT FUCKING SUIT, THINKS HE;S SO COOL. LOOK AT ME I'M NERON I LIKE TO KILL PEOPLE WITH WEDDING RINGS OOOO NOW I'M LOCKED IN A TOWER WITH A DUDE WHO WEARS A DRESS. FUCKING DOUCHE."

"LOOK KID. I'M THE DEVIL. I LIE, I FUCK PEOPLE OVER. IT'S HOW I ROLL. I WILL NEVER GET OVER HOW YOU FUCKERS KEEP MAKING DEALS WITH ME AND NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT I WILL FIND A LOOPHOLE. BITCH, I AM ALMOST AS OLD AS THE BIG MAN UPSTAIRS, I HAVE SOME FUCKING EXPERIENCE IN THESE MATTERS. ALSO LETS NOT FORGET THE FACT THAT THIS ALL HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU WANTED YOUR ELDERLY AUNT BACK AT THE PRICE OF YOUR WIFE AND POSSIBLE CHILD. LET'S NOT START A GAME OF WHO'S THE BIGGER ASSHOLE BECAUSE WE BOTH GOT SOME BRAGGING RIGHTS HERE."

"STOP FUCKING CALLING ME. THIS IS YOUR GOD DAMN ISSUE NOW. I MEAN, FUCK DUDE, YOU MET GOD LIKE...3 YEARS AGO? THAT USUALLY PUTS PEOPLE ON TRACK. I MEAN, I HATE THE GUY AND ALL BUT I HAVE TO RESPECT THE PRESENCE AND ALL. ALSO COULD YOU DO ME A SOLID AND TELL NORAH TO CALL ME? I HAVE TO CANCEL OUR THREE O CLOCK. ALSO SHE NEEDS TO CHILL WITH THE RACISM, SHE'S MAKING SOME GUYS UNCOMFORTABLE DOWN HERE."

Date: 2010-11-29 11:43 am (UTC)
tsunamiwombat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tsunamiwombat
I LOL'd and now picture Mephisto speaking in all caps, all the time.

Date: 2010-11-29 11:53 am (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
To be fair, Satannish would also look prety rad in a suit. Or maybe a Tux. He could use the cummerbund to gag his other mouth.

Date: 2010-11-30 08:36 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
That was fantastic.

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

Date: 2010-11-29 03:01 am (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (Default)
From: [personal profile] skalja
Just FYI, your first scan is very, very hard to read - it's all pixelated.

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Date: 2010-11-29 04:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
For two people who are being set up to be this being romantic couple with Carlie as the next big love of Peter's life, these two seem to have no chemistry and little real interest in each other. At least with MJ, Gwen and Felicia you got the sense that Peter actually wanted to be with them and vice versa. I don't know if its the writing or the art or what but they just seem "blah" together.

Date: 2010-11-29 04:46 am (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
I was just thinking this earlier today. Carlie's obviously a Mary Sue, but there's no reason that a good writer saddled with a character like that couldn't do something interesting with her anyway. But I suppose either the writers don't want to (perhaps resenting being forced to use her?), or editorial thinks the readers don't want to see good character development. Probably too "girly" for a Spider-book or something.

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Date: 2010-11-29 04:43 am (UTC)
liara_shadowsong: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liara_shadowsong
These two have... absolutely no chemistry. Like, there is an astonishing utter lack of chemistry here. I mean, really? If Peter's going to be with someone who isn't Mary Jane, can he at least be dating Felicia or something? Or somebody else he has believable chemistry with? (Miss Marvel would work fine. Hell, I've seen Peter have more chemistry with Johnny Storm than Carlie Cooper, not counting the confusingness with Ultimate Jessica Drew. Ditto Harry Osborn.) 'Cause this? Some strange combination of boring and obnoxious. Ew.

Date: 2010-11-29 04:49 am (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Okay, Peter dating Johnny Storm would be awesome. Otherwise, from the scans I've seen here he looks very compatible with Miss Marvel. He totally should drop this frankly boring Carlie chick and go for it.

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Date: 2010-11-29 05:27 am (UTC)
badficwriter: Flying saucer-I WANT TO BELIEVE (Default)
From: [personal profile] badficwriter
Any rule that no longer serves the story will be thrown out.

Date: 2010-11-29 06:52 am (UTC)
fifthie: tastes the best (Default)
From: [personal profile] fifthie
Mephisto is nothing compared to the power of ~Carlie Cooper's magic~

Date: 2010-11-29 07:46 pm (UTC)
liara_shadowsong: (evil)
From: [personal profile] liara_shadowsong
Magic? Is Carlie the time-travelled reincarnation of Dr. Strange? ...If that was the twist here, that could potentially be awesome. But obviously, that would make too much sense in context.

Date: 2010-11-29 07:40 am (UTC)
feyandstrange: photo of baby in pot with vegetables on stove: BABIES: Not just for breakfast any more! (babyeater)
From: [personal profile] feyandstrange
They're actually supposed to be dating? Because Pete's waaaaay more concerned with his messy digs and hiding his bad habits than with the babe at hand. And the *smart* way to distract your girlfriend from your weird habits (srsly Pete, on the coffee table? You're in a nice hotel room, use the spare sink and quit ruining the tabletop finish) would be to start making out.

And she shows so much interest in Peter that I think she's a lesbian and is secretly hoping that some day her superhero pathology job will let her meet Spiderwoman or maybe Ms Marvel.

I mean, look at it - neither of them even *smiles* once.

And really Pete, didn't all those years of hiding your weird hobby from Aunt May teach you anything? What's gonna happen when housekeeping comes in because you're such a dork you forgot to put out the "do Not Disturb" sign?

Date: 2010-11-29 09:00 am (UTC)
badficwriter: Flying saucer-I WANT TO BELIEVE (Default)
From: [personal profile] badficwriter
That's a new one. Date Spider-man til you meet Spiderwoman!

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Date: 2010-11-29 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
The way I understood it, the psychic blind-spot acts as a buffer, basically making people ignore minor evidence and deflect suspicion (and possibly make people get the wrong idea, eg. "Peter is secretly Daredevil") but it'd be broken by a sufficiently "hard" reveal.

Basically it makes people rationalize his behaviour to themselves as far as possible.

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Date: 2010-11-29 03:36 pm (UTC)
cygna_hime: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cygna_hime
Obviously, Peter is aware that no amount of concealment works on Mary Sues. They always figure out the secrets that should be impossible to guess. It's one of their powers.

Date: 2010-11-29 07:54 pm (UTC)
nezchan: Asterix et Obelix in Lego, how awesome is that? (Lego)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
In the fourth panel, why is Peter made of Lego?

Date: 2010-11-29 09:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greenmask
Oh my goodness you jerk Peter. "You're always leaving me for super-hero stuff"??

Just saying "hey, I understand" does NOT make it NOT an asshole move - oh yes, make her feel self-conscious about her commitment to her job, LIKE YOU HAVE, whilst understanding exactly how she feels about it and making no efforts to express that.

Date: 2010-11-30 08:36 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
...now I'm curious about what follows "Maybe you don't have to..."

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

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