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cyberghostface ([personal profile] cyberghostface) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2010-12-17 11:47 pm

Some panels from Amazing Spider-Man #650

I might be posting more later, but until then, here are two panels from the latest issue of ASM. 

I'll just let the fail speak for itself here.





(To clarify, the exchange is from MJ's POV. It's to show stupid she is in comparison to Carlie, who "gets" Peter)

If you wanted an additional slice of Spidey!fail...

Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] long_silence 2010-12-18 05:58 am (UTC)(link)
New character? She's been around since BND started, that was over 100 issues ago in ASM 545.

She hasn't developed an actual personality in the past 3 years.
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Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] pyrotwilight 2010-12-18 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. I forgot about how many issues have come out. Pretty damn "ugh" worthy.
nefrekeptah: (Default)

Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] nefrekeptah 2010-12-18 06:58 am (UTC)(link)
My mistake. Eecpt, just by looking at what's happened to her on Wiki, looks to me that she does have an established character - an honest cop who'll turn in her own father when he turns out to be a criminal, who always tries to do the right thing no matter how much it costs her.
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Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] stillanerd 2010-12-18 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, that was one of the few times Carlie appeared to get some actual development and did display some genuine toughness and intelligence. Unfortunately, it winds up getting ruined when she meets up with Peter again at his apartment, where she tells Peter she's giving him "one more chance" not to screw up with her. When Peter notes she seems different, she says she went through a Gauntlet (yes, this came out during the Gauntlet story arc, so a little title-dropping there). But when Peter says he knows how she feels, she responds, "No, you don't. When you do it right. . . it makes you stronger, You just have to reach the other side." And remember, she's telling this to Peter Parker, the same guy who has had his parent's die, his uncle murdered, a widowed aunt whom he had to financially take care of all through high school, the same aunt who had undergone numerous heart-attacks and, at one point, thought to have died--TWICE, and who had one girlfriend killed by the father of his best friend, and who he also thought MJ was killed in an airplane explosion. And that's all the stuff that is well known about Peter apart from all the other crap he's had to put up with as Spider-Man. And yet, Carlie is the one who comes off being in the right?
nefrekeptah: (Default)

Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] nefrekeptah 2010-12-18 08:22 am (UTC)(link)
And yet, Carlie is the one who comes off being in the right?


No, it sounds like Carlie just comes off as being ignorant of Peter's situation. She doesn't know any of what all that you said up there. She believes that he has never been in the same kind of situation she just went through, and tells him as much, having no idea that he most knows even better then she does.
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Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] stillanerd 2010-12-18 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
Except, given that she is also friends with Harry Osborn, who is also one of Peter's best friends, doesn't it seem strange that she wouldn't know at least something about what Peter had gone through? And even if she didn't, the fact that she actually believes she's right and that Peter has never faced the kind of experience she had, it still doesn't change the fact that she's still wrong about him despite Peter taking what she says to heart.
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Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] skalja 2010-12-18 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
To me, that's a presumptuous thing for ANYONE to say to someone else, especially someone they've met relatively recently. Just because you're not personally aware of any traumatic/life-changing events in someone's life doesn't mean that there haven't been any.
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Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] stillanerd 2010-12-18 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly! Sure, from Carlie's perspective, Peter does come off like a flake, but her being presumptive about him certainly makes her come off as being sanctimonious. Another instance of this occurred in an earlier issue when Peter, not wanting to come between Harry and Lily, asks Carlie out and she turns him down. While she calls him on only asking her out because Lily was unavailable, Carlie also goes on about how she's better than Lily because she's the one who has been acting like a better daughter to Lily's dad while Lily "is always gone partying every night." (She didn't know that Lily was Menace mind you) and therefore should be, in her view, more worthy of Peter's affections.
nefrekeptah: (Default)

Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] nefrekeptah 2010-12-18 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
No, not really. Seeing as how facts like "his uncle was murdered" are rather personal in nature, it's no surprise at all that Harry would rather have Peter tell her then tell her himself. And maybe Harry's just not that close to Carlie - I didn't read the issues in question, so I wouldn't know.

And from what it sounds, it's not "you wouldn't know" that Peter's taken to heart, it's "I've been through a gauntlet, and I made it and got stronger from it."
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Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] stillanerd 2010-12-18 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
That may very well be. Although, Harry was dating Lily Hollister, who also was Carlie's best friend--so close that Lily was "like family" to Carlie, a fact that was mentioned numerous times. So it definitely appeared that Harry and Carlie could have been close. In fact, during the time in which Spidey was with the FF in the Macroverse in which two months passed on Earth, Carlie was the one who helped Harry get into Alcoholics Anonymous when he fell off the wagon after Lily was revealed as Menace. And the scenes between them made it clear that Harry was perhaps falling in love with Carlie himself due to his gratitude for her helping him recover--a development which, given the three times a month format, the writers didn't properly follow up.
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Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] kagome654 2010-12-18 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Some flaws would be nice, and not 'flaws' like 'she sometimes puts the happiness of others before her own' or 'she cares too much.'
nefrekeptah: (Default)

Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] nefrekeptah 2010-12-18 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
...putting others over yourself is a flaw, especially if you do it all the time to the point were you don't care about yourself.

And that's not what what I'm getting here anyway. What I see is a woman who always puts the law first, even if her friends, family and herself suffer in the process. Depending how she feels about Spider-Man, that could be a serious wedge between her and Peter.
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Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] stillanerd 2010-12-18 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
And that's not what what I'm getting here anyway. What I see is a woman who always puts the law first, even if her friends, family and herself suffer in the process. Depending how she feels about Spider-Man, that could be a serious wedge between her and Peter.

True. Carlie is a lot less willing to forgive those she regards as family and friends if they commit crimes, as opposed to Peter who, while certainly acknowledging they did wrong, is willing to at least allow people to have a second chance, probably due to his own feelings of guilt in regards with Uncle Ben's death. It's certainly an angle which definitely could be explored more.
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Re: Mary Sue.

[personal profile] big_daddy_d 2010-12-18 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
She hasn't developed an actual personality in the past 3 years.

Now that just makes it that much sadder.