Supergirl #59

[superfangirl1]

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[turtlefu]

Stuff like this makes me realize how important Sterling Gates was, not only to Supergirl the character, but to the entire Super-family.
I bawling thinking about him missing already.
Does anybody think that Spencer will make a good replacement?

[arbre_rieur]

Spencer's only on for an arc.

[turtlefu]

So, wait, then who's going to replace Spencer replacing Gates?

[arbre_rieur]

James Peaty. He wrote issue 33. Oh, and I was mistaken. Spencer's only on for one issue, not one arc.

[stubbleupdate]

He's co-writing an issue.

[blake_reitz]

Composite Bat-Santa!
COMPOSITE BAT-SANTA!!!

[big_daddy_d]

There is something so satisfying about seeing Lois give her sister that verbal smackdown as well as damning her late father. He deserves no sympathy for his part in that slaughter that was so bad that I rooted more for Zod. As for Lucy..shit at least someone is alive to pay for it. Gen. Lane took such a cheap way out and suffered no consequence and I hated it.

[jaybee3]

As much as I like what Gates did for Supergirl the character he still has to take blame for the fallout mess that was New Krypton. And the Lane situation was part of it.

I thought making Lucy Lane, a relatively harmless character whose very existence showed how normal Lois even if she was Mrs. Awesome Superjournalist, a supervillain with superpowers (just as dumb as it was to resurrect Sam Lane, who died a hero loved by his daughters, into a genocidal xenophobe who died like a coward by his own hand rather than stand trial).

Instead of having Linda Danvers (who was Supergirl in all those big 90s stories) return as Superwoman, they make Lucy Lane (Lois' sister, Superman's sister-in-law) the biggest Supergirl villain (a bit too coincidental no?) all the while seemingly retconning out her marriage to Ron Troupe and her son Sam Troupe, all of which played a part in stories that are still part of continuity! What was the point?

[big_daddy_d]

just as dumb as it was to resurrect Sam Lane, who died a hero loved by his daughters, into a genocidal xenophobe who died like a coward by his own hand rather than stand trial).

Sam by far turned out worst. He became a Thunderbolt Ross clone and hell for a time I thought "Hey, at least Ross wouldn't turn his daughter into a monster.."... until Red She-Hulk that is..so now he's definitely 100% unredeemable asshole. It seemed like even Smallville was adapting this version of him but thankfully his Smallville counterpart was more open minded and had more sense. His return from death took a huge dump on the respectable, heroic death he originally had and even now we got retcons that show him to be an ass all along, further tarnishing his character.

[pyrotwilight]

Actually, isn't even Ross better than Lane? I thought Ross didn't know his daughters involvement with the color Hulk business since he didn't know who Red She-Hulk was.

[big_daddy_d]

If that's the case, then he is indeed better than Lane...albeit still a hypocrite and ass.

[rickperry]

I don't know why DC is being so negative towards Linda Danvers. She has a huge following and it's stupid of them to not at least include her into Kara's life as a guide. She would be able to help a hell of a lot more than Lana Lang.

[jaybee3]

It's ironic from what we're shown that Lana is more interested in being a mother figure to Kara than she is than being an actual mother to her toddler son who was shuffled off to Smallville to live with Pete. And it doesn't help that (thanks to stinky past stories about Lana's motivation in doing things like Chuck Austen's run) it may be surmised that a large part of Lana's interest in Kara is about her connection to Clark and Lana keeping that connection.

Linda however is a 20something adult whose connection to Clark and Lois is benign (in case anyone like Lex is looking hard) who already knows a different version of Kara (the one from the Silver Age she bonded with), has all Matrix's memories (and hence memories of the Kent Farm) and looks different enough that the two Supergirls would never get confused. Who would DC have us believe was the Supergirl character that pops up in all those 90s stories like the Death/Reign/Return of Superman if Linda didn't exist?

[rickperry]

You took the words out of my mouth. Let's start a "Bring back Linda" rally.

[jlbarnett]

well, I think they did a scene from the Return of Superman recently, can't remember where though. And she wasn't there.

[hero_of_lallor]

You would prefer them making Linda a Supergirl villain? Superwoman was never going to be a good character during New Krypton and how stupid would it be to downgrade Kara by having her predeccessor take a title above her. It would be madness.

[misterbug]

Yikes-a-Rooney, Lois. Aren't we forgetting what holiday period this is? Surely 'I love the person you were, you're obviously mentally unwell, so I'll try to forgive you because you're family, and because with time, you could be that person again' is a better argument than 'You disgust me because you've gone crazy'.

Yes, I'm boiling it down a bit, but Lois' attitude is still a bit harsh to me. She's married to Superman, fer crissakes! If he could give someone like Luthor another chance, why can't she at least attempt to make peace with her sister?

(Also: a small minority of people would ever get this, but I'm glad to see that Gates & Igle remember how hopelessly bad at everything Dr. Light is. Feel the burn, Herald!)

[ravenous_raven]

Ah, but that's Superman who was oh so forgiving. Lois strikes me as more of the type who acknowledges the grey area, but up to a point. Once you've crossed the line and become something unrecognizable and detestable ("a monster"), you don't deserve sympathy. "You've made your bed" so to speak. Maybe her sister can redeem herself, but Lois isn't going to help her. It's Lucy's responsibility to deal with that and part of the consequences of her actions is doing so without support or approval from Lois.


And maybe on some level Lois is angry that Lucy would go along with Lane like that and not show more assertiveness against the jerk his character has become. We already know Lois' feelings on Lane and she is definitely disgusted that someone, anyone, would go along with anything he proposes, never mind the man's own daughter who, like Lois, had a front-seat view of how much of a jerk he was. Lois could also be projecting part of her anger at her father to Lucy.


It could also be Lois feeling guilty about not being there with her sister to prevent this from happening, especially if Lois is the older sibling, which her actions make me suspect she is, but also feeling that Lucy's a big girl now, has to own up to her actions, and Lois can't protect her anymore. And of course, the fact that Lucy is no longer acting like the happy and innocent sister Lois knew makes her, in Lois' mind, a complete stranger, or even dead, hence the comment at the end.


So a mix of personal betrayal, righteousness, disappointment, and a dash of guilt. None of those seem to leave room for sympathy. Maybe Lois hopes that having this little talk might just shock Lucy out of her dedication to a man Lois despises., but right now, sympathy isn't going to cut it.

Hope that makes a little sense.

[sailorlibra]

It makes sense to me and I agree with what you say. You phrased her motivations very well. And you are correct, Lois is the older sister.

[shadowpsykie]

i also love that she/he pointed out that superman is the forgiving ultruistic one. LOIS LANE on the other hand is a reporter, and a brutal one at that.

its not even that she was betrayed. look at what she is saying to Lucy. it seems like she held her on a pedestal. she called her Luminescent. So from "That" Lucy to become "This Lucy" she has fallen so far off that to lois (as RR stated) doesn't even recognize who she is.

Lois is a loving and a caring person. But she is also a fierce and determined reporter.

i always held this belief. Yeah clark is a good reporter, as superman he is able to go into very dangerous situtations and get really great stories. LOIS on the other hand is not a super human. all the stories she gets, she EARNS. she has put herself into life and death situations long before superman was around. yes superman can save her, but there have been more than one occasion where he was not fast enough, or could not get to her in time. either way she got herself out of it, or she takes the consequences. A person like that HAS to be as hard and as cold as Diamonds.

I think a lot of people forget that about her. Yes she is kinda and loving, but she is not Mrs. Superman. She is LOIS LANE, every bit as formidable as Superman. Hell even ORACLE respects the hell out of her.

Superman would not kill... But personally, i think Lois Lane WOULD. if it meant protecting someone she loved.

[janegray]

I don't think it's "you disgust me because you've gone crazy", I think it's "you disgust me because you've gone genocidal."

Willing and unrepentant mass murder isn't something that should be forgiven just because it's Christmas.

[misterbug]

I had quite forgotten the mass-murder.

Although of course, you might make one or two exceptions for the Tenth Doctor.

I'm so disappointed...

[bewareofgeek]

10 posts, and nobody mentioned Krypto's reindeer antlers?

Re: I'm so disappointed...

[ravenous_raven]

I just see a reindeer-dog, myself. Trust me, they do exist. :)

Re: I'm so disappointed...

[big_daddy_d]

Like Olive!