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I have a question about Huntress and Arsenal's one night stand so of course I turn to the lovely ladies and gents of scans_daily to hopefully find the answer.

The first I heard of it was in BoP: Dinah, Babs and Helena are meeting in a park to discuss whether or not they can work together as a team and the subject of Helena's one night stands with Dick and Roy comes up and Helena has the brilliant line 'Archers... they pull a mighty bow but they're quick to let fly'. Which of course pisses Dinah off royally and nearly ends the team before it even begins.

I went back and read the Outsiders issues where Helena takes Roy's place on the team while he recovers from being shot, thinking that would be where I could find the Huntress/Arsenal stuff (I'm a massive Huntress fan and I've been trying to track down and read pretty much everything she's been in because yes I am obsessive) but apart from the kiss at the end

there's not really any interaction between the two and certainly no sexy times going on between the pair.

So folks my question is this: is this the first time it's ever referenced or is does the Helena/Roy stuff happen in different issues to the ones I've been reading? 

Date: 2011-01-19 12:17 am (UTC)
bluefall: (Scary Bat God)
From: [personal profile] bluefall
She didn't sleep with Nightwing, she slept with Batman's Son. It was an attempt to make a physical connection with the Batclan as a concept, and she did indeed already have a very serious emotional thing about the Batclan concept. That was kind of the whole point of that mini, her trying to find a way into the family after spending ages upon ages circling desperately around the edges.

Beyond that, it's my understanding that Grayson actually did intend for Helena to continue to pursue Dick and for them to take that relationship further, but was ultimately overruled by Dixon's Babs/Dick before it could get off the ground.

Date: 2011-01-19 12:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
That still speaks an approach to sexual relationships that a a bit far from "Some women don't sleep with guys they're not pretty seriously into" if a convenient body which happens to be an emotional proxy will suffice.

I've never been a huge fan of the Dick/Babs relationship, but if the alternative would have been Dick/Helena (And Devin Grayson written Dick/Helena) I think I'm grateful.

Date: 2011-01-19 02:27 am (UTC)
bluefall: (bright knight)
From: [personal profile] bluefall
Well, I admit that "Some women don't sleep with guys they're not pretty seriously into" was imprecise -- I was kind of conflating two arguments there. It's true that New York Huntress was sexually conventional in the same vein as her Helena Wayne predecessor, but by the time we get to Birds!Huntress we've added the more fraught Dick/Helena as well as the more conventional Helena/Vic. So at that point it's more accurate to say that Helena was someone who only had emotionally-motivated sex, rather than casual sex. Either way, though, the carefree purely sexual vibe with which her Roy fling is portrayed here is inconsistent with her history to that point.

I admit I don't really get Dick/Helena. I mean, Grayson's theory, as voiced by Babs in Nightwing/Huntress, is that Helena reminds Dick of Bruce. And you know what, that's fine with me. I read Bruce and Dick as solely father and son, any kind of serious shipping of them squicks me right the fuck out, but it's a true fact that many people are romantically drawn to people who resemble their parents. I don't have an issue with that justification for Dick's romantic choices. It's just, you know. That would be Babs (at least if Dick were actually attracted to Babs now and not the memory of Babs ten years ago). Helena's almost nothing like Bruce.


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