scans_daily: Amazing Spider-Man #654

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@ 2011-02-09 04:49 pm UTC

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char: j. jonah jameson sr., char: spider-man/peter parker, creator: dan slott, creator: fred van lente, creator: stefano caselli, title: amazing spider-man

Amazing Spider-Man #654

So Alistar Smythe wants revenge on Jonah for the death of his father...

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	no subject freezer 2011-02-09 09:52 pm UTC (link)
	NGL: I didn't realize Marla was still around. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject cyberghostface 2011-02-09 09:54 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, Dan Slott pretty much just brought her back to off her. I think the last time she appeared was at the beginning of BND when she sold off the Bugle after Jonah had the heart attack. Could be wrong, though. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-02-09 09:55 pm UTC (link)
	not anymore..... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject meatwhichdreams 2011-02-09 09:58 pm UTC (link)
	Yep. You gotcherself a textbook fridging right there. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject screamsheet.wordpress.com 2011-02-10 12:58 am UTC (link)
	I'm not a fan of the whole Women in Refrigerators thing, as I think it's a case of when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. That said, yeah...this is shoving a woman into a refrigerator. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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shadowpsykie
2011-02-09 09:58 pm UTC (link)

at least he's not blaming spider-man....

i know... i know... its... thats so not enough....i wanna say this was a heroic act... and it was... the act itself was very heroic.... but now what? what was the purpose? to get Jonah to be a better person? to furhter a man's story...

can i just look at this as marla being heroic and not as fridging moment? i mean she did have initiative...

i don;t know...

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	no subject starwolf_oakley 2011-02-10 03:48 am UTC (link)
	I thought some creators, or at least John Byrne, thought Jonah just didn't work as a better person. Of course, John Byrne thought a lot of things. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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	no subject nezchan 2011-02-09 09:59 pm UTC (link)
	Spidey's next line should be "Hey, I've got an easy way to get her back! Worked for me!" (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject thanekos 2011-02-09 10:03 pm UTC (link)
	His tenth referral gets him one free. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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	no subject cuntfucius 2011-02-09 10:17 pm UTC (link)
	LMFAO Oh my god, she even gave the inspiring last words before she was ~taken away~ (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject espanolbot 2011-02-09 10:19 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, think of how the moment would have been ruined if she's gone out on a line like "My god, I can taste my liver!" or something. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

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stillanerd
2011-02-09 10:22 pm UTC (link)

To be fair, this death is well put together and I can see some ramifications that will occur because of this. Unfortunately, outside of long-time, die-hard Spider-Man fans, Marla Jameson really wasn't that big of a supporting character in spite of the fact that she's married to one of the more recognizable and important characters in the Spider-Man comics, who is also his antagonist to boot. And yet we're now supposed to care about Marla's death despite the fact she's historically had long stretches of barely being in the comic, including during "Brand New Day" when she and Jonah were separated? Heck, how many readers, save for long time Spider-Man fans, even know that she's actually Jameson's second wife? And of course, you know we're going to get issues of Peter feeling really guilty and responsible for what happened because she was the one who helped give him his new job, even though she barely knew the woman.

Also, her death seems to follow a similar pattern that Dan Slott did with Roderick Kingsley--bring back a character from relative obscurity just to kill that character off. The only difference being that at least Marla was at least still the comics (albeit barely), was around in Big Time long enough to have some significant character interaction, and didn't actually go out like a chump.

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	no subject stillanerd 2011-02-09 10:26 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, lets not forget the other big spoiler regarding the change to one of Spidey's powers, which, thanks to some very heavy foreshadowing in last issue and the beginning of this one, was telegraphed several miles away. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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	no subject filthysize 2011-02-09 10:26 pm UTC (link)
	On the bright side, that's some very nice work by Caselli. (Reply to this)

	no subject silverzeo 2011-02-09 10:31 pm UTC (link)
	.... WOW! (Reply to this)

	no subject turtlefu 2011-02-09 10:32 pm UTC (link)
	A Woman dies, spouting wisdom so that a man can change and grow for the better? Fuck you, Dan Slott. You have no excuse. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject cole435.livejournal.com 2011-02-09 11:52 pm UTC (link)
	Yep, that's never happens from the womens perspective in comics before. Nope, never. Obviously comics are solely mysoginistic and only care about their male audience. You never see female leads ever have their male partner fridged. Christ. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

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	no subject ian_karkull 2011-02-09 11:00 pm UTC (link)
	Should I know who this is and should I care? Aside from the hilarous (and disturbing) mental image that apparently, J. Jonah Jameson was shacking it up with a much, much younger woman? Computer says no. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 9 comments) (Show 9 comments)

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stolisomancer
2011-02-09 11:16 pm UTC (link)

Marla's actually been around for a good twenty, twenty-five years. The problem is that she's a member of Jonah's supporting cast, so she's two steps removed from the spotlight. Marla only tends to show up in stories that are very heavily concerned with Jonah, like this one, and sometimes not even then.

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	no subject alexanderlucard 2011-02-09 11:15 pm UTC (link)
	Sigh. I saw the cute lil' fridge and I was like "CarlieCarlieCarlieCarlie!" But alas no... (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 11 comments) (Show 11 comments)

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cyberghostface
2011-02-09 11:27 pm UTC (link)

I don't see her being fridged until someone new takes over and the writer needs someone expendable to be disposed of. No way they're going to kill her off now when she's Peter's perfect soulmate.

Carlie is definitely one of those "flavor of the month" characters that are the pet character of whoever is in charge and then becomes discarded later on when someone else takes control...see Mattie Franklin or Milla from Daredevil.

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stillanerd
2011-02-09 11:51 pm UTC (link)

Here's something else I just realized--it's pretty evident were going to see Peter, Jonah, and other members of the supporting cast react to Marla's death and feel so shaken by the news for quite a few issues, and yet when comes to Mattie Franklin's death in The Grim Hunt--who was essentially Jonah and Marla's adopted daughter--we STILL have yet see the various characters, including Jonah, react to her death and Marvel has pretty much admitted they're not going to follow-up on that. And Mattie was a character who had her own series for crying out loud!

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	no subject skalja 2011-02-10 02:28 am UTC (link)
	You say that like you have some expectation that female supporting cast serve any purpose other than as convenient plot/character development devices for the male characters. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject big_daddy_d 2011-02-10 01:53 am UTC (link)
	So Smythe now looks like..a spider themed version of Scorpion. (Reply to this)

	no subject golden_orange 2011-02-10 01:57 am UTC (link)
	Wow. That's one conveniently timed rainstorm. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject lilacsigil 2011-02-10 03:54 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, they borrowed it from Les Miserables. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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	Ha mambalev 2011-02-10 02:05 am UTC (link)
	So they basically killed her to put Jonah back to how he was before OMD undid his reaction to Spidey's unmasking... So you know when he stopped blaming and hating, without having to have his wife be fridged. (Reply to this)

	no subject lissa_quon 2011-02-10 02:17 am UTC (link)
	Wow...hunh...uhm...in other news...thats a very happy fridge you got there. I think I'mma gonna steal it for future uses. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject meatwhichdreams 2011-02-10 05:08 am UTC (link)
	I knoooow, it's adorable! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject mistervader 2011-02-10 03:43 am UTC (link)
	On the one hand, it's a great character moment. On the other, it took another woman's death to do it. If JJSr got the axe, I might feel slightly better about it. Just slightly. (Reply to this)

	no subject schala_kid 2011-02-10 03:46 am UTC (link)
	You know what bothers me a lot, like a lot? That Mattie also died, and she was Marla's niece and no one not even Dan Slott the writer of Grim Hunt, even fucking noticed or bothered to make a reference! Anyway, Marla I hardly knew ye! I even thought you were John Jameson's mom, but I fucking hate what they did to you. (Reply to this)

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sinisterlink
2011-02-10 03:56 am UTC (link)

So one of the main things I'm getting from the Spider-Man comics after OMD is that they really don't like happy relationships. The whole thing started with splitting up MJ and Peter, a couple who Mephisto outright said had a perfect and pure love, which was why he wanted it. Then we had a story that showed how The Rhino had basically retired from crime and gotten married to a woman who was awesome and who he was madly in love with, who of course got killed by the end of that arc. And now we have Marla being killed for no real reason. Won't be long till Jonah senior gets thrown under a bus or something. Can't wait! -_-

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	no subject goggle_kid 2011-02-10 07:40 am UTC (link)
	You know... I'm as big a critic of comic writers over-relying on death scenes as anyone. But this actually strikes me as fairly well done. (Reply to this)

	no subject fifthie 2011-02-10 07:48 am UTC (link)
	Deaths like this always just read like so much noise, anymore. Killing Gwen Stacy at least takes moxie. Killing J. Jonah's barely mentioned wife is like... why even? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject fifthie 2011-02-10 07:49 am UTC (link)
	Kill J. Jonah! At least that shockdeath might at least be a little shocking. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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