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Following Emerald Twilight, Hal Jordan became a recurring DC villain, gradually diminishing in the magnitute of threat, until he redeemed himself in the end by dying to reignite the Sun in The Final Night. Fans are still divided as to whether it was a fitting send-off for his character. Here are the scans:



When the JLA, the Titans, and the Legion's combined efforts to stop the Sun Eater seem doomed to failure, Kyle Rayner goes to the one person he believes can save them.

Hal, having finally dealt with Hank Henshaw, is left with no purpose and no future to return to. He contemplates sealing himself within the Source Wall when Kyle shows up.



Before he makes his decision, he meets some old friends and settles his affairs.

-Guy Gardner




-John Stewart




-Oliver Queen



-Tom Kalmaku



-Carol Ferris





-And Ganthet




And he makes his decision.



Meanwhile, Lex Luthor and Brainiac 5 from the Legion have devised a scheme that will stop the Sun Eater. However this will require someone to pilot a spacecraft into the sun, a suicide mission for anyone but Superman, who is currently powerless. Ferro Lad sneaks on board, knowing fully well he won't return.




And the crowning moment of this story,







And dawn arrives.



And the whole world celebrates. Afterwards Batman and Superman contemplate Hal's final deed.



Thus ended the saga of Hal Jordan(until Rebirth). This wasn't one of DC's best stories, but I loved Hal's final moments and the dialogue that led up to it. It's a pity writers never realised the full potential of his fall, death and redemption and ended up having to push the reset button and revert him to Green Lantern.

 

Date: 2011-02-13 09:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shanejayell
And Batman continues to be an ass. He could have said something to make Supes feel better, even if Bats hated Hal.

Not THAT bad of a story, though the whole moving the Sun Eater plot to modern times was kinda dumb.

Date: 2011-02-13 11:36 am (UTC)
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Not sure that's fair to Bat's, he's being honest, painfully honest, as he nearly always is. I'd have thought it was practically an unwritten JLA law; "If you don't want an honest assessment you might not like, then don't ask Batman"

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Date: 2011-02-13 12:52 pm (UTC)
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And Batman continues to be an ass. He could have said something to make Supes feel better, even if Bats hated Hal.

Funny - I was 100% with Bats. Even as Hal was preparing himself, he's all "You don't understaaaaand!" He sounded uncomfortably like Tony "Iron Dick" Stark there.

Then again, I always thought Hal was something of a narcissistic douche.

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Date: 2011-02-13 08:07 pm (UTC)
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Seriously. You're such a downer, Bruce!

Date: 2011-02-13 10:09 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
Huh...having never read Final Night, I never knew Hal had that good of a send out. It was much more cathartic (and imo sympathetic and apologetic to Hal) than I anticipated.

Date: 2011-02-13 04:41 pm (UTC)
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As I recall, the story wasn't intended to include the death of Hal, but Karl Kesel wanted to give Hal a "mercy killing" to spare the character from going even further down the tubes.

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Date: 2011-02-13 10:34 am (UTC)
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I seem to remember Hal saying at some point "I wanted to make things better and none of you understood that." I thought it was in Final Night, but maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

It is still strange. In EMERALD TWILIGHT, it looked like Hal just wanted to use his ring to recreate Coast City as a fantasy world he could live in.

Date: 2011-02-13 11:09 am (UTC)
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I think he said something to that effect in Zero Hour after he was defeated. By FN, he realized The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions, and all that jazz.

Date: 2011-02-13 10:53 am (UTC)
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Hal Jordan was a recurring villain for many years

Just gotta nitpick this part - the time between Emerald Twilight and Final Night was only ~2.5 years.

It's a pity writers ... ended up having to push the reset button and revert him to Green Lantern.

I agree with this, mostly. He's done fine since he got back, and all, but it still stings that the redemption from Final Night and his time as the Spectre is obviated by the 'not his fault!' part.

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Date: 2011-02-13 11:31 am (UTC)
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Part of my problem with the retcon is that if the Parallax Entity actually was influencing his decisions to the extent it apparently was then A) Why would it let him sacrifice himself? and B) What happened to IT when Hal died?

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Date: 2011-02-13 12:54 pm (UTC)
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He's done fine since he got back, and all, but it still stings that the redemption from Final Night and his time as the Spectre is obviated by the 'not his fault!' part.

Motto forever.

Date: 2011-02-13 04:22 pm (UTC)
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Looks like if the chips are down, Hal can make Paralaxx his bitch... gues Krona had a right to be afraid when Hal was about to be posses again.

Date: 2011-02-13 04:43 pm (UTC)
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Thus ended the saga of Hal Jordan(until Rebirth).

Aren't you forgetting about his time as the Spectre? My favourite Hal Jordan, with exception of the Mark Waid-written version in JLA: Year One and Faster Friends.

Date: 2011-02-13 04:46 pm (UTC)
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That is a run I'd love to see posted here, just to hear people's thoughts.

Waid's Hal from both minis is my favorite Hal too. THAT'S the character I wanted to see come back to life. I'm still waiting.

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Date: 2011-02-13 04:44 pm (UTC)
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I wonder why there wasn't more of an outcry that John Stewart was crippled under Kyle Rayner's run, another victim of the campaign to wipe out any and all traces of the GL Corps so that Kyle could be DC's special little pumpkin.

Hell, even while he regained his ability to walk here, Marz and Dooley re-crippled him a few issues later. It wasn't until Judd Winnick that John could walk again for good, and even that was probably because the character was getting back in the limelight with the Justice League show.

Date: 2011-02-13 04:52 pm (UTC)
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Wait, they seriously paralyzed John Stewart again after this?

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Date: 2011-02-14 12:58 am (UTC)
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Oh lord, I'd forgotten about the re-crippling part...

Date: 2011-02-13 04:47 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, I'll always be a bit irked about how Green Lantern Rebirth was Hal Jordan's "redemption" when Final Night served as that and in many ways was a better version. He wasn't absolved of his badguyness in the story and despite all the heroes being critical of him he still saved the day, I liked how it set up his moral amibiguity or at least showcased it more. He wasn't a bad guy, he was a good guy doing bad things ala Road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Date: 2011-02-13 04:54 pm (UTC)
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I got into Hal Jordan as Parallax. Maybe it was the Harvey Dent fan in me, but I love the idea of a noble hero falling from grace. At the same time, I actually wanted to see that character's redemption.

Thing was, the more I read of older GL, the more I actively hated Emerald Twilight. I never thought it made sense for Hal to go that route, not in the three issues they write at the last bloody minute. I believe there IS a story that could have been written to pull that off, but you'd need at least twelve issues to do it properly. Parallax was a great character, but his creation was shoddily conceived and done purely in the name of sales and getting the old guy out of the way in favor of the hip new kid.

As such, I didn't mind the "fear bug" retcon at the time. It was a retcon of a retcon. And yet... and yet... while Parallax was badly handled at the start, he was still a great character with great potential, all of which was undone by Johns. Baby with the bathwater.

I wish I could visit the alternate reality where the Parallax story could be rewritten with a much better origin followed by an actual, proper redemption (and not in a noble sacrifice either). That would be a superhero epic for the ages, man.

Date: 2011-02-13 08:02 pm (UTC)
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Pretty damn good art, actually.

I'll admit I was having fun picturing Ferro Lad and the Legion beginning to sing David Bowie :D

What is it with that kid and noble sacrifices?

Bad characterization aside, on paper, a lot of the broad strokes of Hal Jordan from Return of Superman to this made for a good story, but the execution faltered in the fine details.

Way back when I made a paper on all the Green Lanterns, and I put special thought into the "symbolism" of how they transferred focus from Hal to Kyle, but it was definitely a character path forcibly chosen, because the kinds of stories they suddenly wanted to sell wouldn't have made sense with Hal.

(cheap, lazy, pop culture-youth-baiting stories, but I digress)

Coming up with some reason why Hal Jordan would no longer be the one GL on Earth anymore would have been easy, but for some reason, they wanted to make it impossible to bring him back into the title (obviously a big mistake with fan reaction).

I like Kyle Rayner as far as I got to see him in Morrison's JLA, as the rookie superhero in a legacy role making good, but there was a lot wrong with how they executed his early years in Green Lantern (not least of all being the codifier for Women in Refrigerators cliche).

Date: 2011-02-13 10:53 pm (UTC)
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I actually really like Kyle, but I can see why fans hated him in the beginning Hal needed better then he got but I will tell you I liked him as the Specter.

Date: 2011-02-14 12:51 am (UTC)
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I read somewhere that Karl Kesel was a Hal-fan who hated what DC had done to him and wanted to give him a send-off so they would stop screwing around with the character. With virtually any other character, relighting the sun and saving the solar system would have been a great-send off for any character but after Emerald Twilight and Zero Hour, I don't think readers thought that DC's motives were pure and they were actually doing right by the character - this was proven in the arcs after this where the other characters (who had supposedly "forgiven" Hal) piled on the guilt when a young innocent Hal time-traveled to the present with Kyle or when they sought a new host for the Spectre and despite saving all their lives the only character in the whole DC universe who had no doubts about Hal was Alan Scott. Or despite the touching goodbye with Carol, they had her get married to some random character almost immediately after his death who she repeatedly claimed she loved whenever Spectre Hal showed up (and then after Rebirth she ditched the husband off-panel).

So despite such a great send-off, DC could not let it alone and they always (both here and in the Marz-written Memorial issue) gave Batman the last snarky word.

Date: 2011-02-14 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
Am I the only one who thinks that some of the proportions here are... well, OFF? In just about every panel where two characters are shown together, their figures look sort of squashed-down and dwarfish.
I wish they'd kept this the way it was. To me, bringing Hal back and making Parallax an evil space-creepy-crawly was just stupid, because it was basically going 'oh, well OUR Hal would NEVER have done all that! Out Hal is good, and pure!' That's BS - of COURSE Hal would do all that. Maybe he was mister pure pureness at the beginning of his career, but by the end of it - hell, by the MIDDLE of it - he'd acquired more than his fair share of rough edges. He was a good guy - not perfect, just good - who had been pushed too far, and did some unconscionable things for what he thought was a good reason. Once you've passed that line, there ain't no comin' back. This acknowledged that, and allowed him to go out in a blaze of glory while still remaining the flawed not-quite-a-hero-anymore that he'd become. The legacy moved on to another, the saga continued. And now they've wiped all that away because the Silver Age freaks couldn't BEAR having their precious Hally-wally be less than perfect. Bleh.

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Date: 2011-02-14 06:13 pm (UTC)
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okay... this actually brough me to tears, the introspection of Hal transposed with him saying his oath... damn...

see THIS Hal Jordan i GOT. he was someone who even as he committed attrocities, did so because at the time he thought he was helping... in a way he reminded me of Magneto. he became who and what he was because of what happened to him and the decisons he made after... and he took responsibility for what he did...

this Parallax entity making him do it (while i LIKE the entities and a the stuff that came from it i honestly like where green lantern is going now) didn't need to happen in this way.

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