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Okay, can we stop pretending now that DC doesn't hate Cass?

By Gail's own admission, she would have used her if possible. Yet the very rare times we ever even hear about Cass' character, it's how she's gone. Her last series outsold Hawkman, Catwoman and Firestorm, yet she's still gone. The last issue of her mini series only sold 5 thousand less copies than Steph, despite their efforts at sabotage, and yet she remains gone.

Her big appearance in Red Robin? A few lousy pages where she provides some exposition and then disappears.

Pattern recognition should be obvious at this point.

Also, not fond of rolling back the clock. It doesn't make any sense, especially given now that the villains have their own evil Oracle.

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Okay, can we stop pretending now that DC doesn't hate Cass?

Only if we can stop pretending Gail Simone is a separate entity from DC.

By her own writing, she doesn't include Cass. Two words on a list. One dialog bubble that says she has access. They're Kord Tower for goodness sake, so it's not like it's impossible to positively include people who can't be used in the book.

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Gail's stated that she wasn't allowed to use Cass, but wants to do so. Given that Gail's honest but also a professional, I doubt she'd tell us if the editors went farther than just not letting her use Cass.

And given that the current regime is the one who's been sabotaging Cass since OYL, I'm inclined to see this as their hand, not Gail's.

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So, no then?

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Well, I see no reason to hold Gail responsible for decisions that she didn't make.

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Do you mean that DC must have not only told her she wasn't allowed to use Cass but told her she had to have her say Cass doesn't have access as well? Why would Gail be open about the first part but not the second? I seem to remember her saying on Tumblr that she agrees with Oracle that Cass just shouldn't know.

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No, no, no. Stop. You CAN'T suggest Gail Simone would do anything wrong. That will never do. Just never!

(I think the above is funnier if you imagine Rarity saying.)

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Just wanted you to know I went to YouTube to make sure I got the inflection right there...

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Really? Then in that case, yeah it's on Gail.

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To let her say it in her own words, I found the tumblr post. She said she originally wanted Cass in BoP but she moved to slow and she became unavailable, and on the subject of her not being on the list said:

"The burden isn’t knowing Oracle is alive, the burden is knowing a secret that has cost a lot of Oracle’s friends dearly. The people she chose were mostly chosen for their immediate proximity to her at this point in time. In DC continuity, Cass is in flux, in a transitional state. For me, I can believe that Babs would want to give her room, and not burden her with the responsibilities of being part of the Birds at this time, just as Babs was okay with Dinah leaving the team when she went off to marry the Green Dork for a while."

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Eh, that's still pretty thin logic in my book, but whatever. I dislike the whole 'putting the genie back in the box' thing regardless of who it affects.

And 10 bucks says that DC doesn't do jack with Cass except maybe kill her.

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I'll take that bet. I bet within two years Fabian Nicieza will have Cass as a semi-regular star in Red Robin.

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Fabian stated that he wasn't monopolizing Cass, yet Gail couldn't use her. Makes me think plans have changed (again).

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"...for their immediate proximity to her at this point in time."

If only there was some kind of interconnected network of computers that allowed people to securely communicate with each other, and maybe...and this is just a thought...since Barbara can't fight crime on rooftops, she could use this "computercation" system to direct people in the field to fight crime, so she wouldn't need them in her immediate proximity. Hmm. I bet Gail would be perfect for that book!

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LOL! It seems like...I think she's saying that the only people she's telling she's still operating as Oracle (Cass does know that Babs is alive--or at least she doesn't think she's dead) are people close to her physically. So Babs herself is alive to everyone, but the only people who know she's Oracle now are people in Gotham that she works with in person because it's a burden.

So it does still kind of come down to a rather 19th century view of things. Misfit and Stephanie have to know she's Oracle because they work with her physically while Cass can be spared because she's in Hong Kong. Even though the whole point of computer identities is that they're different from your RL ID. For many if not most people the people they deal with in real life are less likely to know about their online life. She could hide her continuing to be Oracle just as easily from Steph and Misfit as she could from Cass.

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It's your first sentence that relieves me that DC has the good sense not to hand Cass over to Gail, because how are you NOT going to let Cass know Babs is Oracle? Cass has been doing the Cal Lightman thing since she was a kid, the second she looks at someone on that list she's going to know they're hiding something, and as soon as she finds out, how's she going to feel that Barbara not only lied to her but also forgot...FORGOT, thank you very much, Ms. Photographic Memory...lying to Cass was impossible. That's the kind of thing that's part of Cass's core character, and...vroot...Gail just ignored it. So, as ticked off as I am there's another notch in the "Barbara is kind of thick" column, I'm equally relieved Cass isn't going to be dredged through that book of nightmares.

Well, sure. If she wanted fake retirement, how hard would it be for some other wannabe to use the Oracle handle? Setup Proxy as the "Internet cafe" people can talk to, take a month off, and then have some person halfway around the globe, who calls herself Delphi or something, start working with Canary and Huntress. It could even be played as one of those twists Gail's so fond of. Have Canary, semi-underground because she's still wanted, mention she'd been doing jobs for someone, suspected it was Oracle, and then her phone beeps with a message from Delphi, who can't be Oracle because Barbara's sitting right there and there's no way a simple AI could be setup to throw Dinah off the trail.

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turtlefu

If they made Cass off-limits, then having Oracle at least mention Cass is a lot better than just simply IGNORING her existence, which is what every character has been doing for the past couple of years.

So, Gail likes Cass, wanted to use her, yet jarodrussel is saying that Gail hates Cass because she didn't disobey her bosses and include her anyways?

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yet jarodrussel is saying that Gail hates Cass because she didn't disobey her bosses and include her anyways?

[CITATION NEEDED]

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turtlefu

Someone said that DC hates Cass. You said that Gail should be included within that, thereby implying that she, too, hates Cass, because she didn't use her.
Even though, she DID try to use her, and was shot down by her bosses. Meaning Gail didn't use Cass because she didn't want to disobey her bosses.
By your logic, for Gail to like Cass enough to include her, then she would need to have disobeyed her bosses.

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