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Entry tags:char: catwoman/selina kyle, char: harley quinn/harleen quinzel, char: poison ivy/pamela isley, creator: andres guinaldo, creator: peter calloway, title: gotham city sirens













Memories start to overflow her mind as she points the guard gun at the joker.






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[identity profile] screamsheet.wordpress.com
2011-04-01 06:51 pm UTC (link)
After all, they try to pull something outrages and upsetting every time they use him. There's nowhere to go anymore but this, I suppose.

Which is really my main problem with the character as he is now. The Killing Joke was shocking because it was the Joker going farther than he had gone at that point, doing real damage to the Bat-family in the process. Since then, the stuff he pulled there seems tame by comparison, so the shock value is gone.

The other problem is that I think readers need to like comic book villains - not the horrible things they do, but there needs to be a sort of respect for them or a reason to want to see them return. The Joker now is just Hannibal Lecter without the charm, which makes him more of an annoyance when he pops up.

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[personal profile] darkness_p
2011-04-01 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Exactly. I just can't wait to be over when he's involved now. He was -is- a great character but needs a serious guideline... Oh who am I kidding? DC and real planning&editing...I'll be 92 before it happens.

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[personal profile] themadcaplaughs
2011-04-03 01:07 pm UTC (link)
The other problem is that I think readers need to like comic book villains - not the horrible things they do, but there needs to be a sort of respect for them or a reason to want to see them return. The Joker now is just Hannibal Lecter without the charm, which makes him more of an annoyance when he pops up.

Yeah, the villains need to have a certain 'charm.' I second the person who said the Joker needs to be rested for a while. A character like the Joker works best when used relatively sparingly, and for maximum impact. Otherwise, he's in danger of being overexposed to the point that many readers just end up rolling their eyes whenever he appears.

Furthermore, overexposure increases the probability of him appearing in stuff that simply doesn't do him justice, as a character and as a villain.

I mean, scratching a baby with a tetanus nail? That's REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrel for him. Where's the theatre? The imagination?

It would be more interesting if he didn't actually kill all the time, sometimes choosing to inflict lasting psychological damage on his victims instead.

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[identity profile] screamsheet.wordpress.com
2011-04-03 01:51 pm UTC (link)
The tetanus nail thing is more irritating to me for a few reasons.

First, getting scratched by a nail isn't guaranteed to give somebody tetanus. In fact, I'm pretty sure the odds are pretty low that it will happen with just a scratch. So how many times did the Joker wander through the park scratching kids before his "master plan" finally came to fruition?

Second, I'm pretty sure that just getting scratched by the nail probably wouldn't cause tetanus. It would have to be a pretty deep wound that went untreated and caused the tetanus infection. If that's the case, how in all that is holy did the parents miss that?

(If my medicine is wrong, somebody please correct me. I am not a doctor.)

Third, the entire thing puts the Joker on the same level as old ladies who put razor blades in apples on Halloween. Evil, yes, but not exactly comic book level supervillainy.

Personally, my ideal Joker is one who fluctuates from the somewhat harmless Silver Age villain to the deadly madman from the modern era. When he breaks out of Arkham, maybe he's going to blow up an orphanage...or maybe he's just going to head to a comedy club. The danger lies in not knowing, and the fact that what seems like a minor crime could turn out to be something huge and vice-versa.

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[personal profile] themadcaplaughs
2011-04-03 05:58 pm UTC (link)
I'm not a doctor either, but you're right, there isn't any way in hell that the parents would have missed the fact that their child was bleeding. And just thinking aloud here, but aren't babies vaccinated against tetanus anyway? Or is that when they're a bit older?

"Personally, my ideal Joker is one who fluctuates from the somewhat harmless Silver Age villain to the deadly madman from the modern era. When he breaks out of Arkham, maybe he's going to blow up an orphanage...or maybe he's just going to head to a comedy club. The danger lies in not knowing, and the fact that what seems like a minor crime could turn out to be something huge and vice-versa."

*Nods* It's the unpredictability. Even the Silver Age Joker had a certain style and imagination that's lacking in Mr Tetanus Nail. Doing ridiculous rockstar stuff like riding a giant chicken down the street. Committing crimes that were more like grandiose publicity stunts than actual crimes. Okay, so he was only knocking off banks and whatnot, but he did it in this gloriously OTT way.

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