scans_daily: .... dickery

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@ 2011-04-07 10:05 pm UTC

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char: nathaniel richards, char: stature/cassie lang, char: vision/jonas, title: young avengers

.... dickery

The one thing that pissed me off in Avengers: the Children's Crusade #5

People acting like Vision has no feelings.

Okay, so I gave in. I thought, Cassie's an okay character. Given, my least favorite character, but an okay character nonetheless.

SCRATCH THAT, SHE'S A DICK.

Nate, I forgive, since he's not quite totally aware that 1) Vision got newfangled feelings and humanity and 2) He was dating Cassie. I think.

Cassie, on the other hand, drops Vision like a hot potato as soon as Iron Lad drops in, forgetting that Vision--NO, JONAS, LOVED HER.

:I Cassie, you are dead to me. Dead to me.

....

Okay, rant over. Disregard all that I said up there, or most, anyway, since it's a rage-filled opinionated thingie. Unless, you know, you agree with me, at which point we can rant together.

I know Cassie hasn't done that ~~yet~~ but as of yet, she's still being insensitive to Jonas' feelings. I know she's not a total dick, but she still has dickery tendencies that I cannot let pass without them getting called out.

TBH Cassie's character has not appealed to me all that well. She was cruel to her mother, to her stepfather, she decided after two hours that Nate was her boyfriend... She is a brat. A brat with good qualities, but with the essential qualities of a brat, all the same.

Poor Jonas. He is his own person, dear god, and they treat him like a prop.

.........

And okay, so I laughed at the idea, even the suggestion, that Vision would go to Wanda again. Really, Nate, really?

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icon_uk
2011-04-07 02:33 pm UTC (link)

Ummm... not sure about Nate bringing up the "still married" crap, as A) I was never sure that Wanda and Vision were ever legally married. Viewed each other as husband and wife, absolutely, but not legally married since he was non-human.

And given they had been been separated for years, and Wanda had had more than one relationship since then (Simon for starters, and possibly Cap, if you consider Chuck Austens run to be relevant and my memories of it are correct), it's hardly an issue to dig up now.

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	no subject blackruzsa 2011-04-07 02:36 pm UTC (link)
	He seems to be doing it for fun, since everyone in the fanbase has been thinking it, but still, low blow, man, low blow. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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daningram.insanejournal.com
2011-04-07 02:40 pm UTC (link)

I'm pretty sure they were legally married, there's never been anything that stated they weren't. And given the history of the MU, I doubt they have any major issue with basic rights for non-humans.

Though that said, totally dick move on Iron Lad's part

"Hey, get lost. Aren't you married to wacko-witch? Cassie's my girl now!"

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icon_uk
2011-04-07 02:50 pm UTC (link)

And given the history of the MU, I doubt they have any major issue with basic rights for non-humans.

Given their frequent treatment of mutants, I wouldn't think itsafe to assume that at all.

Wanda attracted a fair bit of public opprobrium for, in the eyes of some, marrying a machine. Likewise when Vision is seized and dismantled in Byrne's WCA run, the attitude seems to be that he has no actual legal standing as a person, he's still a machine, legally.

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daningram.insanejournal.com
2011-04-07 02:56 pm UTC (link)

Mutants are still allowed to marry and whatnot. Most of what happens to them is because someone is manipulating the law, or flat out ignoring it, not because mutants don't have rights as human beings.

As for Byrne's craptastic treatment of Vision, bear in mind that the operation was an international effort. So all those involved were likely covered by diplomatic immunity or whisked away before any charges could be filed.

...though the Avengers really did drop the ball on holfding anyone accountable.

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	no subject kenn_el 2011-04-08 07:19 am UTC (link)
	I think deprogramming is grounds for annulment. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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practicalcat
2011-04-08 06:09 am UTC (link)

And given the history of the MU, I doubt they have any major issue with basic rights for non-humans.

Victor Mancha getting torn apart by the capekillers and Teddy getting vivisected by the Cube Warden (not to mention what was done to Noh-Varr!) in the Young Avengers/Runaways: Civil War book says otherwise.

Also, as far back as "The Vision and the Scarlet Witch" mini, Gyrich said that Vision didn't have any rights.

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	no subject daningram.insanejournal.com 2011-04-08 12:56 pm UTC (link)
	Eh, Civil War went every which way with the whole legal system in the MU. Writers couldn't make up their minds if their lives depended on it. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject practicalcat 2011-04-08 08:59 pm UTC (link)
	I will grant you Civil War because Civil War was made of painful amounts of fail, but there's still Gyrich in the mini in 1985. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject tahngarth.livejournal.com 2011-04-07 02:41 pm UTC (link)
	It really depends on if the United States of Marvel earth see Immortus as a rightfully ordained minister? He was the one performing the ceremony, and they weren't in the US at the time either (as I recall). I'm not even sure how the legal bit of that works out! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 6 comments) (Show 6 comments)

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cainofdreaming
2011-04-07 03:08 pm UTC (link)

Immortus is the absolute ruler of his own 'nation' of Limbo, so he can probably grant himself the rights of a justice of peace which makes him able to perform marriage ceremonies.

So, guess it all depends on how the US of A views marriages performed abroad. In countries which are most often at odds with either the country or the whole world.

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	no subject tahngarth.livejournal.com 2011-04-07 03:11 pm UTC (link)
	Is Immortus a legal person in the United States, though? Does he have a legal identity anywhere in the present day earth? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

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cainofdreaming
2011-04-07 03:19 pm UTC (link)

Would he have to be? For the first part, I mean. Is it any different than getting married in Sweden by a Swedish priest/justice of peace? Well, getting the legal documents would be kinda harder though.

The second part might be a problem, if there is a transtemporal clause in the 616 law. It'd be an endless source of grey hairs for the lawyers, at least. Though with Jen and Matt on Wanda's and Vizh's corner...

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tahngarth.livejournal.com
2011-04-07 03:21 pm UTC (link)

I would imagine he would need to be a legally provable entity in some form of present-day legislation. Sea captains can perform weddings, but they are only legally acceptable as long as the captain has the correct paperwork that he is in fact the captain.

But as you say, it's Marvel earth, there may be a time traveler clause there.

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	no subject cainofdreaming 2011-04-07 04:08 pm UTC (link)
	Actually sea captains can't, unless they happen to be justices of peace as well or ministers/priests though that'd be a bit weirder career combination. But everything else I think we agree on then. Now I just imagine Jen running after Immortus, who is constantly tripping on his cape, demanding the paperwork. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject tahngarth.livejournal.com 2011-04-07 04:20 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, I gotcha. Seems like the kind of thing Slott would have written for his She-Hulk run, really? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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notactuallyauser
2011-04-07 04:21 pm UTC (link)

But that's just Iron Lad being a dick - regardless of what would be decided in a hypothetical law court - he knows that Vision's hardly likely to argue that the (old) Vision and Wanda were never legally married, as that would be equivalent to denying his personhood now.

Be interesting to see what Wanda makes of the new Vision. Um, and in fact it'll be interesting to see what Wanda makes of everything.

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	no subject blackruzsa 2011-04-07 10:47 pm UTC (link)
	..... this. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject practicalcat 2011-04-08 05:50 am UTC (link)
	I have my fingers crossed for "Right, I'm time-sharing Billy with the Kaplans, but you should come and live with me and Tommy and be my third kid." (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject blackruzsa 2011-04-08 10:07 am UTC (link)
	.... This. So they can say like Billy takes his looks from Wanda, Tommy from Pietro, and Jonas from Victor. It works! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject salinea 2011-04-08 12:51 pm UTC (link)
	That'd be way too awesome. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject ian_karkull 2011-04-08 07:35 am UTC (link)
	Even if it had been legal in the first place, The Vision, Wanda and the entire Universe got destroyed and remade atleast once in the meantime, so that should be enough grounds for annullment. Nobody's even quite the same person anymore. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject blackruzsa 2011-04-08 10:09 am UTC (link)
	And Doom is up for marrying Wanda. DOOM CARES, AND HE LOVES TOO. HE HAS FEELINGS. )': (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject cainofdreaming 2011-04-08 08:47 pm UTC (link)
	If the universe getting destroyed was grounds for annulment then wouldn't that mean that everyone was entitled to one? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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